Originally posted by shunyadragon
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Both these scholars are also biblical scholars - since historians of Christianity also cover the NT (and also the OT) - which these two do. And both of them, in addition to Vermes, Johnson, Hurtado, Hengel, Allison (just to mention 7) agree on the ancient creeds in Paul. So I await your citations. And, your argument is questionable given the subjects of their books, blogs and videos.
Of course it is refutable: I just included where Ehrman and Hurtado (who often agree) are at odds over 'Jesus as an angel' in Paul. And Hurtado gave a mixed review (mostly favorable I believe) to a Fredriksen book. These people are not shy in their disagreements and the scholarly community is one that all are measured by.
I'm simply saying that the historians and biblical scholars tell us about other Jewish messianic figures who are known but nothing ever came of them after their untimely deaths/executions. Not talking outside of Judaism.
I totally agree that their expectation was not fulfilled........that's why we see a change in those expectations.
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