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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
They were later deemed to be "scripture" [as in "sacred writings"] but those texts were not written as such.
You surely do not imagine that when Paul wrote his various letters to his acolytes he believed he was writing sacred text, do you? Those letters contain his opinions and offer guidance to his congregations Nothing more.
Likewise the four canonical gospels. If these were considered to be "sacred writings" why were the originals not preserved?
The same goes for all those other texts now contained in the canon of the NT. If, from the outset, these were held to be sacred writings why do we find fragments of those various texts in ancient rubbish dumps? Or evidence that bits of them have been used as palimpsests for more prosaic purposes?
You are assuming that the material they are saved on is the important thing. It does not sound like you have studied the practices of the Jewish scribes. So you are hoping to make up things from thin air.
Why do you think that people were writing the gospels down if not to be scriptures? Paul was an expert on OT scriptures and became well informed about the Jewish Messiah. You could not find someone more informed to record the first century understanding.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
I go by the gospels, and as cited the Gospels do not clearly define the Christina God as a Trinity and it references can refer to Jesus Christ as a human Messiah, and the human nature of Jesus Christ is supported by the Tanakh, which the Trinity is not supported at all, with the total rejection of anything else but a One indivisible God, and that no human can be an incarnate God on earth.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm...ty/trinity.cfm
https://www.monergism.com/topics/trinity
https://www.monergism.com/topics/tri...idence-trinity
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Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
The concept of the Trinity is biblical.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm...ty/trinity.cfm
https://www.monergism.com/topics/trinity
https://www.monergism.com/topics/tri...idence-trinity
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Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
The concept of the Trinity is biblical.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm...ty/trinity.cfm
https://www.monergism.com/topics/trinity
https://www.monergism.com/topics/tri...idence-trinity
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
They were later deemed to be "scripture" [as in "sacred writings"] but those texts were not written as such.
You surely do not imagine that when Paul wrote his various letters to his acolytes he believed he was writing sacred text, do you? Those letters contain his opinions and offer guidance to his congregations Nothing more.
Likewise the four canonical gospels. If these were considered to be "sacred writings" why were the originals not preserved?
The same goes for all those other texts now contained in the canon of the NT. If, from the outset, these were held to be sacred writings why do we find fragments of those various texts in ancient rubbish dumps? Or evidence that bits of them have been used as palimpsests for more prosaic purposes?
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Originally posted by Trucker View Post
Interesting but not directly answering my simply stated question. It is your position that the NT is not Scripture?
Some refer to the plurality in terms of God in the Tanakh as referring to the Trinity, but the reality it refers to a pantheon of Gods and hosts of heaven, and a council of Gods. The Trinity itself has no basis in the Tanakh, which rejects completely and specifically the concept of an incarnate God.
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Originally posted by Trucker View Post
Interesting but not directly answering my simply stated question. It is your position that the NT is not Scripture?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
Your argument here does not make any sense. How do you keep original parchments?
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt does not sound like you have studied the practices of the Jewish scribes.
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWhy do you think that people were writing the gospels down if not to be scriptures?
In some respects the New Testament is rather like what today we might describe as an anthology. Namely, a collection of literary works, written at different times, and in different places, and brought together in one volume.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
For me none of the texts are "scripture" [in the sense that you understand] I do not believe that any have divine origin or are in any respect divinely inspired. They are merely the expressions and speculations of human beings, and nothing more. I regard these texts as I would any other ancient written sources and they should be assessed employing the same criteria.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
Even the Jews of Jesus day knew Jesus was claiming deity
You cannot distance yourself from your own preconceived idea that the Greek form of Messiah [i.e. Christos] has a divine connotation.
In its original Hebrew context the term Messiah simply means anointed as an Israelite king would have been anointed at his coronation. The Hebrews did not go in for divine kings, they left that to the Egyptians!
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
The Bible is scripture believed by Christians, but not all Christians interpret and understand what they call their scripture. This is as variable as the number of diverse conflicting beliefs of the many different churches. Of course, the Jews only accept the Tanakh as scripture, and of course there is no basis for the Trinity in the Tanakh.
Some refer to the plurality in terms of God in the Tanakh as referring to the Trinity, but the reality it refers to a pantheon of Gods and hosts of heaven, and a council of Gods. The Trinity itself has no basis in the Tanakh, which rejects completely and specifically the concept of an incarnate God.
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