Originally posted by Chrawnus
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If u want to--we can explore it---but Trinity is a bit slippery, one wrong move and you fall into heresy.
2) I am a Muslim---and Jesus' death/lack thereof holds no particular significance in Islam---Original sin is a Christian doctrine---not a Muslim one. (or a Jewish one) The reason we are exploring this topic is because its important to Christianity but I am agreeable to declaring that its a mystery and leave it at that.
In case u want to continue---
Jesus = Divine + Human
Jesus (D+H) dies
Die = cessation of biological activity.
The divine (God?) has a biological body (human) which ceases its activity (dies) temporarily but resumes its activity = Therefore God is not eternal right?
(also---Islam does not have "divine incarnation" or "Divine death"---which is why u are explaining it to me.....Islam does have explanations about human death---but that is not the topic of discussion here)
Does God die? (Deicide)
---IMO, the most honest Christian answer to this question would be that its a mystery.
3) So "Original sin" was so insignificant that God had to create a circumstance where humanity would commit another "sin against God" (Torture and Deicide) whereby God would finally be able to collectively "forgive" humanity?
4) Yes--to forgive would mean to declare blameless---this means the victim does not demand punishment. However, actions generate consequences which cannot be reversed. The exercise of human free-will is both a blessing and a responsibility.
(...our free-will operates within "time" so we cannot go back in time and undo our actions after feeling remorse.---The Quranic story of the 2 sons of Adam.)
Since free-will has this component of responsibility---actions and their consequences are the responsibility of those who commit them (with the exception of persons who cannot take full responsibility such as minors or the intellectually handicapped). Another(innocent person) cannot take that blame/responsibility. That would be unjust.
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