Originally posted by Chrawnus
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No one "understands" the Trinity. To presume to be able to understand one of the greatest mysteries of God would be arrogance of the highest order. The question is not whether you understand the Trinity or not, the question is whether the doctrine of the Trinity is consistent with God's word as revealed in the Old and New Testament. And the Christian response is that the Trinity is the only doctrine that makes sense of all the passages in the Old and New Testament that speak variously about God's oneness and unity, but also the passages that speak about the plurality of God.
Jesus death on the cross was no different in nature from a regular human death. That's why I asked you if you believe your death, when it comes, can accurately be characterized as you "shedding off" your "human skin".
No, we are not on the same page on this. Jesus IS the Son, so Jesus dying a physical death means that God the Son dies a physical death. Jesus and (God) the Son simply being different names for the same person. Anything that happened to Jesus can be properly claimed to have happened to God the Son, since they are one and the same. Therefore, when Christians say that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of humanity, it is equivalent to saying that God the Son died on the cross for the sins of humanity.
Surely Islam has it's own share of mysteries as well?
God being perfectly just means that he cannot overlook transgressions done against His law without the penalty for the transgression being paid. As Paul writes in Romans 3:
In other words, the reason God could forgive sins even before Christ taking on human nature and dying on the cross for our sake was precisely because Christ was going to die on the cross to atone both those former sins, and every other sin ever committed, and those that will be committed.
Jesus death on the cross was no different in nature from a regular human death. That's why I asked you if you believe your death, when it comes, can accurately be characterized as you "shedding off" your "human skin".
No, we are not on the same page on this. Jesus IS the Son, so Jesus dying a physical death means that God the Son dies a physical death. Jesus and (God) the Son simply being different names for the same person. Anything that happened to Jesus can be properly claimed to have happened to God the Son, since they are one and the same. Therefore, when Christians say that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of humanity, it is equivalent to saying that God the Son died on the cross for the sins of humanity.
Surely Islam has it's own share of mysteries as well?
God being perfectly just means that he cannot overlook transgressions done against His law without the penalty for the transgression being paid. As Paul writes in Romans 3:
In other words, the reason God could forgive sins even before Christ taking on human nature and dying on the cross for our sake was precisely because Christ was going to die on the cross to atone both those former sins, and every other sin ever committed, and those that will be committed.
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