Saved Atheist

[Sparko]

So is FF really confusing the language to describe a concept with the concept itself, or is he just trolling again?

[whag]

add red and green peppers, cheese and onion, and it's a Western umlaut!

[firstfloor]

So is FF really confusing the language to describe a concept with the concept itself, or is he just trolling again?

[KingsGambit]

The problem is that it is not up to you, or me, or anybody here to define what constitutes "saved". That definition falls to God alone.

[whag]

The problem is that it is not up to you, or me, or anybody here to define what constitutes "saved". That definition falls to God alone.

Show me a pastor or missionary who doesn't explain what constitutes salvation.

[KingsGambit]

Show me a pastor or missionary who doesn't explain what constitutes salvation.

They do so based on how they believe it is defined within the precepts of their faith; they're not making an executive decision to make up their own concept or play games with words (or they shouldn't be).

[Sparko]

You don't seem very retired to me. But your act is tired.

[Cow Poke]

You don't seem very retired to me. But your act is tired.

Speaking of retired .....

unsubscribing! Nothing to see here.

[Jedidiah]

Interesting thought, but not accurate. It is true that the "special language" Christians often use is a problem for the lost. I still have not fully adopted my new tongue after 40 years of being "saved."

I came to know Christ (was saved) in a long term effort to determine if there was any meaning or purpose in life. (Yeah a whole different topic) That special language was a hindrance for me, but as I found the truth I gradually learned the language. It does stand in the way of salvation for unbelievers, but it is so useful among believers. I try to avoid the new language when discussing things with non believers. I probably am not successful, but I do try. The thing is that this "special language" is based upon a new understanding of the universe and our place in it. It does not apply to different reality, just a new understanding of the only reality we can yet touch.

[Jedidiah]

Speaking of retired .....

unsubscribing! Nothing to see here.

Yeah, " hope springs eternal" and all that.

[Jedidiah]

Our ship earth has more voyagers in the quest for salvation then Christians and Atheists.

True this. The world has Christians and non-Christians.

[Carrikature]

This needs umlauts.

And stars, and grapefruits, and the international symbol for 'slippery when wet'.

Speaking in tongues again?

Just testing a theory. Supposedly the language doesn't matter.

[whag]

They do so based on how they believe it is defined within the precepts of their faith; they're not making an executive decision to make up their own concept or play games with words (or they shouldn't be).

He may be defining it in another sense, apart from the heaven/hell dichotomy. He's not making the "executive decision" to say that atheists are literally saved in the Christian sense, I don't think. Rather, he metaphorized the term to express another idea about the commonality of thought processes between two dissimilar groups.

Metaphorizing terms isn't forbidden in literature, neither is it forbidden in fashioning one's worldview.

[shunyadragon]

True this. The world has Christians and non-Christians.

[shunyadragon]

The problem is that it is not up to you, or me, or anybody here to define what constitutes "saved". That definition falls to God alone.

. . . and unfortunately from the human perspective every religion, sect, church, and many other divisions of human belief define it differently as their Way is the only Way.