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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYou sure you're not thinking of Franz Kafka? St. Aquinas is said to have had a vision of God after which he considered all his written works like 'straws' in comparison, but I haven't seen anything about him wanting his works to be burned.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOkay, thats possible, I probably heard or misunderstood in error. But I would have agreed with him if he had wished to burn the quotes of his that J.Martin cited concerning good and evil. Reads like so much high falutin gibberish.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAs a thomist I can tell you that JohnMartin doesn't really get it. He just knows the kinds of words used and just strings them together in an ad hoc fashion.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostI can understand why orthodox Christians hold him in high regard, but I'm not a Christian.
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Originally posted by JohnMartin View PostThe theological system propounded in the summa theologia and summa contra gentiles, along with his many other works is a strong intellectual bulwark for the Catholic faith. It is somethnig to take note of even if you are an unbeliever.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostTaking note of a thinker is one thing. Assuming that the thinker is right is another. I take note that modern Christian apologetics is based on the warmed-over Aristotelianism of Thomas Aquinas. It was very clever of Aquinas to make Aristotle safe for Christian orthodoxy, but I can give him credit for cleverness without supposing that he could not have made any mistakes.
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Originally posted by JohnMartin View PostYou can credit Aquinas with anything, but your opinion carries no weight when your opinion is without evidence.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostMy evidence is Edward Feser's book The Last Superstition, which is a defense of the Aristotelian-Thomistic worldview against the so-called New Atheists. His explanation of Aristotle's philosophy and how Aquinas adapted it to Christianity is pretty thorough.
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Originally posted by JohnMartin View PostI hope you enjoyed the read.
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Originally posted by JohnMartin View PostI've never seen a proof of your assertion. Care to present one?
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There is no proof either way for an uncaused cause, whether natural or Divine. You have failed to provide a 'proof' for an uncaused cause that is anything other than natural.
Still waiting . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-22-2017, 01:49 PM.
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