There's no reason that Pilate can't have have allowed Jesus's body to be turned over to whoever requested it. It's on YOU to prove he didn't.
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Gary & Rhinestone's Thread on Burial and Resurrection of Christ
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGiven your track record here, I'd like to see some proof that what you presented is an accurate description of the theory AND proof that it is indeed the "most common" among skeptics. Of course, even conceding the above, the theory requires ignoring the prime sources of evidence to even get off the ground.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat evidence do you have Gary, that the Jews in Jerusalem typically buried their dead in the ground like we do today? Even secular historians say that they used family tombs where they would lay the bodies, wrapped in spices until only the bones remained, and then put the bones in a box, and the tomb would be ready for the next family member. Heck the tombs are still THERE today.
source: https://www.sbl-site.org/publication...?articleId=640
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JERUSALEM IS WHERE CHRISTIANITY BEGAN! It is the most improbable place for it to take root, right where he died and was buried under the Romans! Witnesses galore to contradict the apostles' claims! But even when the apostles were dragged before the Sanhedrin, the Jews did not deny the resurrection. They instead forbade them to preach in the name of Jesus.
And until you unearth one syllable from the the Jewish side of the story, dated up to the same criteria YOU demand for the Gospels, you have NOTHING to stand on!Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by Gary View PostJodi Magness is the Kenan Distinguished Professor for Teaching Excellence in Early Judaism in the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She is an active member of the Society of Biblical Literature.
source: https://www.sbl-site.org/publication...?articleId=640
Hey I have an idea. since you like this NT scholar and consider her authoritative, why don't we go ahead and take her entire quote, in CONTEXT?
Gee, Gary, she seems to actually believe the gospel stories are accurate and that Jesus was not buried in a trench.
Thanks, buddy!
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhich is why Joseph went and asked Pilate for permission. derp.
Notice how Matthew omits Joseph being a member of the council and Luke makes sure to add that Joseph "had not consented to their plan and action." It seems they saw problems with Mark's story too.
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostThere's no reason that Pilate can't have have allowed Jesus's body to be turned over to whoever requested it. It's on YOU to prove he didn't.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postah thanks.
Hey I have an idea. since you like this NT scholar and consider her authoritative, why don't we go ahead and take her entire quote, in CONTEXT?
Gee, Gary, she seems to actually believe the gospel stories are accurate and that Jesus was not buried in a trench.
Thanks, buddy!Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by RhinestoneCowboy View PostThe evidence we have for Pilate is that he didn't care about Jewish law or their sensitivities so considering this and the other aforementioned improbabilities, it seems you're trying to shift the burden.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by RhinestoneCowboy View PostThe evidence we have for Pilate is that he didn't care about Jewish law or their sensitivities so considering this and the other aforementioned improbabilities, it seems you're trying to shift the burden.
In fact you have no reason to doubt the gospel accounts, other than you don't like them. They are the official evidence. The heavy burden is yours and Gary's. Your threads always end up with a bunch of arguments from silence, denouncing the official documentary evidence and saying "well what if..." - the same dumbass arguments over and over.
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostYet he was so surprised to learn Jesus was dead, he sent to verify it instead of sending Joseph away. He had enough interest to ensure Jesus was indeed dead. He didn't just say, "Whatever...we'll dispose of him when we feel like it.."
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Originally posted by RhinestoneCowboy View PostYou're using the same source to prove the reliability of the source. That's circular.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhich is why Joseph went and asked Pilate for permission. derp.
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Originally posted by RhinestoneCowboy View PostInteresting. Was this the same Joseph that was a "prominent member of the council" and condemned Jesus to death in Mark 14:55, 64?
Notice how Matthew omits Joseph being a member of the council and Luke makes sure to add that Joseph "had not consented to their plan and action." It seems they saw problems with Mark's story too.When I Survey....
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