The Evidence Skeptics would like to see for the Resurrection Claim

[Tassman]

First off gods do not exist. There is only one.

So you've made one exception to your atheism, I see no good reason to do so.

Do you deny that an uncaused self existent exstence exists? You obviously do not recognize "it" as God.

The texts I believe to be God's word are not myth.

They have the characteristics of mythology, i.e. invoking a god (or gods) in a pre-scientific attempt to explain otherwise inexplicable events.

Give me one historical fact that can be proved. And we can start there.

Yes, I miss typed 5:8 for 5:18. At issue is that the Apostle wrote it. As holy scripture of course he did. So Luke's gospel was regarded as holy scripture being cited by the Apostle.

It's conceded by virtually ALL biblical scholars that 1 Timothy is pseudographical and dated at c. 90 CE.

[Tassman]

And this brings up another very important assumption in the Christian belief system: There is ZERO evidence that Jesus, the Eleven, or Paul left any instructions for which writings should be included in the New Testament. (And please don't quote the forgery of Second Peter.) The Christian New Testament is a collection of writings approved by the early catholic Church, not by Jesus or any apostle. To claim that it is the "Word of God" is unprovable, to say the least.

But that is a topic for another thread...

[Gary]

Silence.

It seems Christians have accepted the evidence presented by NT scholar Bart Ehrman that it would have been VERY out of character for Pilate to have released the body of a man executed for high treason to his family...or to anyone else...for proper burial. And there is zero solid evidence that Roman rulers of Palestine, during the life of Jesus, released the bodies of criminals executed for treason to their families.

The claim by Christians that historical evidence supports the gospels' story that Pilate allowed a member of the Sanhedrin to give Jesus, the self-proclaimed, "King of the Jews", and thus, treasonous traitor to Caesar, a proper burial, is proven completely unsubstantiated and contrary to the historical evidence.

The evidence, and scholarship, points to the overwhelming probability that Jesus' body was left on the cross for days to be picked apart by scavengers as a horrific warning to any other potential "King of the Jews" pretender...and then what was left of him was unceremoniously tossed into an unmarked hole in the ground...and the location soon forgotten.

[Meh Gerbil]

It seems Christians have accepted the evidence presented by NT scholar Bart Ehrman that it would have been VERY out of character for Pilate to have released the body of a man executed for high treason to his family...or to anyone else...for proper burial. And there is zero solid evidence that Roman rulers of Palestine, during the life of Jesus, released the bodies of criminals executed for treason to their families.

I think the text of the New Testament makes it clear that Pilate was placed in difficult circumstances when it came to Jesus.
He was being asked to carry out an execution in response to the alleged violation of religious law even though Jesus was apparently not guilty of breaking any civil law.
The text makes it clear that Pilate thought Jesus was about as guilty of treason as Mary Magdalene.

The evidence, and scholarship, points to the overwhelming probability that Jesus' body was left on the cross for days to be picked apart by scavengers as a horrific warning to any other potential "King of the Jews" pretender...and then what was left of him was unceremoniously tossed into an unmarked hole in the ground...and the location soon forgotten.

Crucifixion victim found buried in a tomb and in an ossuary:
See:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...ixion-methods/

The name of the victim was on the ossuary which really is all the evidence I need to send you are your broad, overreaching claims packing.
Given that Pilate didn't think Jesus was guilty of anything other than being popular and well dressed I think the claims of the NT are well within the realm of reasonable as they touch upon the disposal of Christ's body.

[Adrift]

Crucifixion victim found buried in a tomb and in an ossuary:
See:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...ixion-methods/

The name of the victim was on the ossuary which really is all the evidence I need to send you are your broad, overreaching claims packing.
Given that Pilate didn't think Jesus was guilty of anything other than being popular and well dressed I think the claims of the NT are well within the realm of reasonable as they touch upon the disposal of Christ's body.

Psst... post #131.

[Meh Gerbil]

Psst... post #131.

As long as you're on the case I don't need to worry.
Question: How often will this need to be repeated for the ridiculous claims to stop?

[Adrift]

As long as you're on the case I don't need to worry.
Question: How often will this need to be repeated for the ridiculous claims to stop?

This must be your first run in with Gary. He doesn't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[Meh Gerbil]

This must be your first run in with Gary. He doesn't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

I like him better already.

[Gary]

I think the text of the New Testament makes it clear that Pilate was placed in difficult circumstances when it came to Jesus.
He was being asked to carry out an execution in response to the alleged violation of religious law even though Jesus was apparently not guilty of breaking any civil law.
The text makes it clear that Pilate thought Jesus was about as guilty of treason as Mary Magdalene.


Crucifixion victim found buried in a tomb and in an ossuary:
See:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...ixion-methods/

The name of the victim was on the ossuary which really is all the evidence I need to send you are your broad, overreaching claims packing.
Given that Pilate didn't think Jesus was guilty of anything other than being popular and well dressed I think the claims of the NT are well within the realm of reasonable as they touch upon the disposal of Christ's body.

One ossurary does not a pattern of behavior make.

Could Pilate have made a rare exception for Jesus? Sure! But it would have been a RARE exception. The evidence indicates this was not Pilate's pattern of behavior nor that other rulers in Palestine at the time. Therefore probability indicates that the Arimathea tomb stories in the Gospels are most likely legends or blatant embellishments by the authors.

The point of all this is: The evidence shows that it was NOT the custom of Roman rulers in Palestine to release the bodies of persons crucified to their families or anyone else as many conservative Christians such as Nick and Stein claim.

[One Bad Pig]

Silence.
It seems Christians have accepted the evidence presented...

Or b) people have lives, and aren't hanging on your every word; there is no burning need to respond right away to your posts
c) people get bored of repeating themselves; this has all been addressed more than once

Bart Ehrman's area of expertise is textual criticism, not historiography.

[Gary]

One very interesting thing I noticed while reading up on Roman burial habits for persons crucified is this: It is odd to me how much both Philo and Josephus talked about Pontius Pilate...without ever mentioning the alleged earthshattering events involving Jesus that allegedly Pilate had to deal with.

It is as if...these events never happened...

[Gary]

As long as you're on the case I don't need to worry.
Question: How often will this need to be repeated for the ridiculous claims to stop?

Until you guys accept that the evidence shows that Jesus was most likely not buried in a tomb but in an unmarked hole in the ground.

[Gary]

Or b) people have lives, and aren't hanging on your every word; there is no burning need to respond right away to your posts
c) people get bored of repeating themselves; this has all been addressed more than once

Bart Ehrman's area of expertise is textual criticism, not historiography.

What a joke. So since New Testament scholar Ehrman's expertise is textual criticism, he is not an authority on other issues related to the New Testament.

Silly and ignorant.

[Leonhard]

Silence.

It seems Christians have accepted the evidence presented...

Get over yourself Gary, and get a life.

[Gary]

Get over yourself Gary, and get a life.

My life is dedicated to debunking one of the most deadly superstitions known to mankind: conservative/fundamentalist Christianity.