Does God have an individual plan for everyone?

[Cow Poke]

Ok, so how do you think this general guidance works? Still small voice? Feeling(s)? If so, where do you find that in scripture.

1 Cor 2:6-10 comes to mind first off. Along with John 16:13 and Romans 9:1. I think the best way is to be familiar with the Bible (2 Tim 3:16), so the Holy Spirit can "call to remembrance" those things we were taught (John 14:26). The Holy Spirit, besides guiding us, prays for us (Romans 8:26).

If you have "feelings" that contradict the Bible, you're in trouble. The Holy Spirit is not going to guide us against what the Scripture already says.

Those are just some quick thoughts.

Oh, and the counsel of mature Christians helps a bunch.

[Littlejoe]

I would agree with Freisen on this one. What really cinches it for me is the absence of language the traditional view in Scripture. Every time (that I'm aware of) when God has an individual plan for someone, it is given in visions, by prophets, by angels, etc . . . whereas there is a dearth of such being given by inward urges, a peace, etc . . .

I agree! You and I are on the same page here!

[Littlejoe]

I think, generally, it's a general guidance thing. I think occasionally God calls out a special man (or woman) for a special mission.



Yeah, we just need to be obedient.



Or if you are in the army, and you wake up praying "should I wear my green shirt, or my green shirt".

Seriously, I think as we practice obedience to God, and sensitivity to His Spirit, he'll give us that discernment for "what matters".

Ok, so how do you think this general guidance works? Still small voice? Feeling(s)? If so, where do you find that in scripture.

[Cow Poke]

Ok, but do you think that God has a "perfect plan" for us that we need to be trying to figure out? Or is it a "general" guidance kind of thing?

I think, generally, it's a general guidance thing. I think occasionally God calls out a special man (or woman) for a special mission.

Agreed! These would fall under God's Moral Will that's already documented in Scripture.

Yeah, we just need to be obedient.

And how do you know if it's something that doesn't matter? Where is that line...you see, it might matter what shirt you wear. What if God has already told someone to seek out the guy in the yellow button down shirt...

Or if you are in the army, and you wake up praying "should I wear my green shirt, or my green shirt".

Seriously, I think as we practice obedience to God, and sensitivity to His Spirit, he'll give us that discernment for "what matters".

[alaskazimm]

I would agree with Freisen on this one. What really cinches it for me is the absence of language the traditional view in Scripture. Every time (that I'm aware of) when God has an individual plan for someone, it is given in visions, by prophets, by angels, etc . . . whereas there is a dearth of such being given by inward urges, a peace, etc . . .

[Christianbookworm]

Considering the people in the Bible that God did have an explicit plan for, I'm happy to be an innocent bystander. Being the chosen one can stink/be hard work/ high responsibility.

If I make a thread about micromanaging elohim(lowercase or uppercase E), where should I put it? Tektonics? Poop deck? And here's the tektontv vid on elohim if anyone is interested. Because I'm not using God for a hypothetical micromanaging elohim. I'd use one from fiction. One with several stories of what happens when he goes over the deep end and wants to control(try to that is, he's definitely not omnipotent) everything to keep anyone else from dying.

[Littlejoe]

I think God has a plan for everyone.

So you believe in an individual "perfect" will for everyone, correct? What scripture do you base that on?

But are we listening? Are we following? And I do think that there are a lot of possibilities for different circumstances. If we make a poor choice, then we can get ourselves back on our walk with God and he can continue to help us hammer out the circumstances for us.

What if we are listening intently, praying earnestly, maybe even fasting, even laying out a "fleece" a la Gideon, yet we still do NOT know which way to go or what to decide on? That's the premise in the book that the author attempts to address. I'm trying to gauge others reactions to how they feel about that. Dr. Friesen's conclusion is our understanding of God's personal, individual will may be faulty..

[Christianbookworm]

What do you think human history would be like if a God of love, grace and mercy was in the business of micromanaging.

Let's make it simpler. A good boss would know better than micromanage his employees. A good parent would not micromanage every detail in their children's lives but give them choices. Are you aware that micromanaging is not a good thing? What is your definition of micromanaging? Why should God have to tell you EXACTLY what to have for breakfast? Or tell you to wear the black socks and not the white socks. My 2 year old niece has more choice than that. Are you saying that God should treat us like helpless newborns that can't do anything? Yes, God is sovereign, but said sovereignty does not mean He directly causes every little thing(including sin???) to happen(it would just be a video game he programmed and played then).

[Littlejoe]

I love this kind of thing, LJ, and before I forget, let me throw one of my goofy analogies out there. It's kind of dated, because most young people never drove a car without power steering, but you can clue them in.

When you ask God to show you His will for your life, it really helps if you're not "sitting still", but are at least moving in a direction. It's really hard to turn the steering wheel of a car that is not moving - or even if it has power steering, if the engine is off. Get that car moving, however, and it's much easier to steer it.

I believe God "steers" us as we begin to obey Him. The more we are "in tune" with Him, the easier it is for Him to steer us.

Ok, but do you think that God has a "perfect plan" for us that we need to be trying to figure out? Or is it a "general" guidance kind of thing?

And I also like to point out that there are three things (in my opinion) that you really don't need to pray about, regarding the Will of God.

A) Things God has specifically said do NOT do - no need to ask Him if you can
2) Things God has specifically told us TO do - no need to ask "God, should I love my brothers?"

Agreed! These would fall under God's Moral Will that's already documented in Scripture.

III) Things that really don't matter - like what color shirt I should wear or whether I should have my eggs over medium or scrambled.

That's just some real quick thoughts off the top of my big empty head.

And how do you know if it's something that doesn't matter? Where is that line...you see, it might matter what shirt you wear. What if God has already told someone to seek out the guy in the yellow button down shirt...

[dacristoy]

Really? Here's my exchange with JPH where we discussed the cons of a micromanaging elohim.
me: Would a hypothetical micromanaging elohim be annoying? Is it okay that I think such a being would be annoying? Why would anyone want a micromanaging elohim? They wouldn't let you do anything for yourself.
jph:
Not just annoying, I'd say downright threatening. I think the crybabies don't really want that, they're just making excuses.
me: Why downright threatening? I'm not talking God powerful. Just angel or superman level power. Though even that could be dangerous. I would think a benevolent elohim would know to not micromanage us and know doing that would cause harm. .Huh, the things one can learn from fiction! I guess the crybabies didn't think about the implications.
jph: Maybe you've heard the saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely? A micromanaging God could only be one who didn't make a good universe to run on its own. That would be a God who could be corrupted. You got it precisely right when saying a benevolent elohim would know better.

Why do you believe God is a micromanager? What do you think a micromanager is?

You do realize I am a Christian, correct? If God really was a micromanaging idiot like you think, I wouldn't have been able to type this. Only a foolish elohim would micromanage humans. God is not foolish.

What do you think human history would be like if a God of love, grace and mercy was in the business of micromanaging.

[Christianbookworm]

CBW, he's not arguing with you. He's stating what he was taught at one point.

The next two comments implied that he agreed. I don't know if he was referring to God, or a micromanaging elohim.

[Cerebrum123]

CBW, he's not arguing with you. He's stating what he was taught at one point.

[Christianbookworm]

I was taught it, but not by scripture..



Soooo glad that God's existence does not depend on what we want or do not want...



Only if we are disobedient and disrespectful to him...

Really? Here's my exchange with JPH where we discussed the cons of a micromanaging elohim.
me: Would a hypothetical micromanaging elohim be annoying? Is it okay that I think such a being would be annoying? Why would anyone want a micromanaging elohim? They wouldn't let you do anything for yourself.
jph:
Not just annoying, I'd say downright threatening. I think the crybabies don't really want that, they're just making excuses.
me: Why downright threatening? I'm not talking God powerful. Just angel or superman level power. Though even that could be dangerous. I would think a benevolent elohim would know to not micromanage us and know doing that would cause harm. .Huh, the things one can learn from fiction! I guess the crybabies didn't think about the implications.
jph: Maybe you've heard the saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely? A micromanaging God could only be one who didn't make a good universe to run on its own. That would be a God who could be corrupted. You got it precisely right when saying a benevolent elohim would know better.

Why do you believe God is a micromanager? What do you think a micromanager is?

You do realize I am a Christian, correct? If God really was a micromanaging idiot like you think, I wouldn't have been able to type this. Only a foolish elohim would micromanage humans. God is not foolish.

[dacristoy]

You were taught that God micromanaged your life?

I was taught it, but not by scripture..

One would not want a micromanaging Elohim(God) to exist.

Soooo glad that God's existence does not depend on what we want or do not want...

Or even just an elohim(powerful entity). That would be terrifying.

Only if we are disobedient and disrespectful to him...

[Christianbookworm]

You know, its really sad that I can think of some experiences where I was taught that I had to even pray about what to eat or where. Maybe it sounds like I have a chip on my shoulder but growing up with the don't think just believe has often left me really confused on some subjects. Including aspects of God's plan for life

You were taught that God micromanaged your life? One would not want a micromanaging Elohim(God) to exist. Or even just an elohim(powerful entity). That would be terrifying.