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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostBut where does the soul originate? Is it a product of the reproduction process or something else? If something else, it's easy to see why twins have individual souls regardless of their DNA - and hard to see how you get the same effect in a petri dish. If it's just a reproductive process, then how would a computer get one?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe soul is not something that is added in to a human at some point in time. It is something that is an innate part of a being. My personal opinion is that there will never be a true AI. We may given time produce machines that can convince us they are self aware, but it will be just programing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostActually, I'd go with the reverse: the soul is the innate part of being, the body is the 'add on' (way over simplified).
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostI don't agree with this. Body, soul, and spirit all seem to be integral to what we are. We would be incomplete without any of them, which is why the resurrection is needed."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostHuman DNA was made by God. Clones are just like identical twins, just artificially caused by man. Not different in principle from fertility treatments.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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I don't think AIs will have souls because souls are immaterial entities while computers are machines. I think much of the push behind computer sentience stems from a materialist/physicalist philosophy. The argument is that the mind is reducible to the brain and arises from physical properties and processes.
So while a computer might fool us into thinking it has the same mental properties that we do that doesn't mean it has them. For example, Searle's Chinese Box Argument shows why being able to execute proper syntax doesn't entail understanding.
And as for human clones, they are just people that arise from an alternative form of reproduction. If I had a clone she wouldn't be my duplicate--she would be my sister.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI agree - the statement is an oversimplification. All are necessary - but the body least of all since the soul exists in some state without it between death and resurrection.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Paula View Postsnip . . . So while a computer might fool us into thinking it has the same mental properties that we do that doesn't mean it has them.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostSubject to our total lack of reliable understanding of what happens to us after death."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostConsistent with references to same in Scripture.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by hamster View PostWhen AIs get so powerful that they are almost indistinguishable from humans we're going to have to treat them like conscious, souled beings because we'll never know for sure"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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whats the difference between a spirit and a soul?
I thought that we ARE souls and we have a spirit.
Genesis 2:7 (KJ21)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
I always thought of the soul as combination of the spirit, body, mind. The part of me that makes me "me"
That is why you can have identical twins with identical DNA and yet they are individual persons
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AI would not have souls. They are robots. They might be able to think on their own. But that does not mean they would have a soul.
Human clones WOULD have souls. Why? Because clones are not created. They are cloned.
Ok I know that sounds redundant. But human clones already exist. They are called twins.
I think we can all agree that twins have souls. A clone only looks like it's original. It is in fact it's own person.
Yet at the same time, humans cannot and will never be able to create human life from scratch. It's infinitely too complex.
Even if souls did not exist. But they do and a human clone would have one because it's just a human twin--born much later.
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