Quiverfull Movement

[johngalt1]

[heartablaze]

Yes that's a good comparison. Although the Quiverfull movement strikes me as far more detrimental. It seems children are brought into the world as a sort of arms-race to out populate the enemy. Women therefore become little more than incubators preparing God's army for dominion over earth. The women are subjected (yes willingly, before they realize they are in a bizarre movement) to perpetual childbirth. It is an extreme form of male patriarchy - I think even Albert Mohler stated that if an able couple chooses to remain childless, well, that's tantamount to moral rebellion against God. Though I suspect even he would find the movement excessive, at least I hope so.

Check out the gentlemen at 2:15.

The quiverfull movement seems like a very inward-looking movement. You get almost-instant believers from your children instead of reaching outwards to your neighbors, you homeschool them, participate in a quiverfull-minded church, and raise them to be exactly like you. Now, that could be said of a lot of groups. We as humans like groups of likeminded people, and we teach our children to think like ourselves. But it seems like to me like maybe they don't get much exposure to what I would call the "real world" of people who think differently than you, of believers who believe differently, of nonbelievers, etc. I think that exposure to outsiders is important because otherwise they might be devastated later on in life when they can't deal with people who believe something different than them.

Also, on another note, it was weird to me how the oldest daughter was doing most of the work, as far as I could tell. Like maybe I missed something, but it looked like the mom gave her 12 year old daughter too much responsibility. What was mom doing when her daughter was doing all the little ones' hair? Cooking?

As for the OP, it is very sad that this woman left her faith and her husband. Jesus didn't major on the family, did he? Didn't he say something about how you should hate your family in comparison to your love for him(not that I think you should hate your family -no you should love them). What was his emphasis on? Was it on having a ton of babies? What should we center our lives on? For me, Jesus emphasized the kingdom. The making of disciples. This is what Christian families should major on.

Now, if you want to have a ton of babies, that's obviously not sin, but I know a few families with a lot of kids, and some are really struggling. I think not every family needs that many kids. It's so stressful for most- and can tear husband and wife apart. For some, it's how they thrive. But I think it all comes down to heart. What is your motivation? Is it to make your name great? Is it so that people think you look good? Is it competition? Is it to glorify God? It's a complicated thing, but it looks like all the pressure caused the woman in the article to just break down. Sometimes the pressure we put on ourselves is too great.

[Scrawly]

The quiverfull movement seems like a very inward-looking movement. You get almost-instant believers from your children instead of reaching outwards to your neighbors, you homeschool them, participate in a quiverfull-minded church, and raise them to be exactly like you. Now, that could be said of a lot of groups. We as humans like groups of likeminded people, and we teach our children to think like ourselves. But it seems like to me like maybe they don't get much exposure to what I would call the "real world" of people who think differently than you, of believers who believe differently, of nonbelievers, etc. I think that exposure to outsiders is important because otherwise they might be devastated later on in life when they can't deal with people who believe something different than them.

Also, on another note, it was weird to me how the oldest daughter was doing most of the work, as far as I could tell. Like maybe I missed something, but it looked like the mom gave her 12 year old daughter too much responsibility. What was mom doing when her daughter was doing all the little ones' hair? Cooking?

As for the OP, it is very sad that this woman left her faith and her husband. Jesus didn't major on the family, did he? Didn't he say something about how you should hate your family in comparison to your love for him(not that I think you should hate your family -no you should love them). What was his emphasis on? Was it on having a ton of babies? What should we center our lives on? For me, Jesus emphasized the kingdom. The making of disciples. This is what Christian families should major on.

Now, if you want to have a ton of babies, that's obviously not sin, but I know a few families with a lot of kids, and some are really struggling. I think not every family needs that many kids. It's so stressful for most- and can tear husband and wife apart. For some, it's how they thrive. But I think it all comes down to heart. What is your motivation? Is it to make your name great? Is it so that people think you look good? Is it competition? Is it to glorify God? It's a complicated thing, but it looks like all the pressure caused the woman in the article to just break down. Sometimes the pressure we put on ourselves is too great.

Amen to much of what you said here. I think however the woman was simply being obedient to the plain reading of certain passages such as 1Tim. 2:15: "But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

[Darth Executor]

Since you are unwilling to even consider that I may be right,

That's a nice way to rationalize the trouncing you got.

and won't even read a better explanation of my belief than I could give myself,

Yes, why don't I go off and read a couple of books in the middle of a discussion. That's argument by weblink on steroids and I vaguely remember this kinda thing being frowned upon around here.

I can only come to the conclusion that if we were to quote scripture at each other all day you'd still dismiss anything I said out of hand.

I haven't dismisset anything out of hand, I explained to you why your interpretation/arguments are lacking in detail then provided counter-verses. Making the false claim that your opponent is unwilling to consider that you may be right, on the other hand, looks a lot more like "dismissing anything I said out of hand", as you might say.

This conversation is over.

Nah.