What Led to the Messiah being sent to the world?

[mikewhitney]

What Led to the Messiah being sent to the world?

[rogue06]

You mean aside from our (humanity) screwing everything up so that we need Him?

[mikewhitney]

I was more thinking about the steps leading to the appearing of the Messiah.
Maybe there is more to this than simply "the woman sinned; the Messiah came."

[Adrift]

I was more thinking about the steps leading to the appearing of the Messiah.
Maybe there is more to this than simply "the woman sinned; the Messiah came."

Interesting thought. I think it's more than a woman sinned; the Messiah came

[Mountain Man]

I think what's most interesting is that God waited several thousand years before bringing his plan of salvation to fruition.

[One Bad Pig]

Interesting thought. I think it's more than a woman sinned; the Messiah came

This is very much the Orthodox view. As we sing on the third Sunday in Lent:
"The flaming sword no longer guards the gates of Paradise. It
has been mysteriously extinguished by the Wood of the
Cross. The sting of death and the victory of hades have been
vanquished. For You, O my Saviour, came and cried to those
in hades: Enter again, into Paradise. "

[mikewhitney]

I was trying to see if people had concepts of how the Messiah was to emerge from among the people of Israel and why there was a focus on Jesus as the Son of David.

[Adrift]

Which "people?" Ancient Israelites? Second Temple Israelites? The first Jewish converts or modern Christians?

[mikewhitney]

Which "people?" Ancient Israelites? Second Temple Israelites? The first Jewish converts or modern Christians?

Essentially the ancient people. Do twebbers have ideas why a prophet should arise like unto Moses? Why was it important to designate that a descendant of David would rule on the throne? How does the behavior of (ancient) Israelites fit into the coming of the Messiah?

I was curious how people see these bits and pieces from the OT (with possible insights from the NT). Or are these details just not considered much by Christians?

[Adrift]

Essentially the ancient people. Do twebbers have ideas why a prophet should arise like unto Moses? Why was it important to designate that a descendant of David would rule on the throne? How does the behavior of (ancient) Israelites fit into the coming of the Messiah?

I was curious how people see these bits and pieces from the OT (with possible insights from the NT). Or are these details just not considered much by Christians?

[mikewhitney]

Deut 32 basically explains that the people of Israel will largely fall away. The explanation of the problem is found in Isaiah 5.
The gist here is that humanity couldn't be repaired by external measures to clean them up. The Hebrew people were the demonstration of this problem -- while also having benefits through this era. It is not that the Hebrew people were better or worse than other nations (as to their general qualities, apart from the basic nuturing by God); we learn later that the externally acting Mosaic Law could not change a person's nature.

This inability to change human nature externally is one foundational issue why the Messiah would bring forth a new creation. The people of Israel were to be preserved intact until the Messiah would arrive. There was an apologetic aspect to this, namely that the identity and origin of the Messiah would be known through prophetic fulfillment.

[Rushing Jaws]

Short answer: God so willed. Though whether the Incarnation was intended anyway, regardless of sin, is another question.

[tabibito]

This inability to change human nature externally is one foundational issue why the Messiah would bring forth a new creation.

Ah ... a nice lynch-pin. Can I steal it?

[mikewhitney]

Ah ... a nice lynch-pin. Can I steal it?

Sure. I hope the idea can be useful somewhere.