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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe concept of the early church was that apostles needed to be sent by Jesus Himself; Paul, who saw him "last of all, as one who is born out of due time" would necessarily have been the last.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostScripture proves this untrue.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostScripture proves this untrue.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn this case, he was on the agenda to speak because the previous president (I'm now president of the association) had invited him, and I inherited that agenda. He failed to show, so if he tries again, I'll just politely tell him he had his chance, and wasn't gracious enough to notify us he wouldn't be there.
I actually had a meeting with our VP, secretary and treasurer to agree that we'll use those offices (the four of us) as an executive committee to approve or decline any requests to address our group. The others agree we don't really need to hear from an "Apostle" without a really good reason.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHow, pray tell?
Rom. 16:7 shows Andronicus and Junia were apostles in some sense, but not necessarily in the same sense as Paul.
One could easily infer from Eph. 4:10-14 and 1 Cor. 12:28 in the whole context of 1 Cor. 12-14 that all gifts including apostles will remain until the Lord's return, but even if that is not the case, Scripture clearly shows the existence of apostles later than Paul.
Honestly, it baffles me that people keep trotting out the "Paul was the last apostle" trope.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThe primary proofs are Acts 14:14 and 1 Thess. 1:1 with 2:7. These show that Barnabas, Silvanus, and Timothy were all apostles in the same class as Paul.
Rom. 16:7 shows Andronicus and Junia were apostles in some sense, but not necessarily in the same sense as Paul.
One could easily infer from Eph. 4:10-14 and 1 Cor. 12:28 in the whole context of 1 Cor. 12-14 that all gifts including apostles will remain until the Lord's return, but even if that is not the case, Scripture clearly shows the existence of apostles later than Paul.
Honestly, it baffles me that people keep trotting out the "Paul was the last apostle" trope.
From the blog post here: https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B13...e-risen-christ
The key being "witnesses to the resurrection", which the men you mentioned in the NT likely were. Nobody since Paul has seen the resurrected Lord.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThe key being "witnesses to the resurrection", which the men you mentioned in the NT likely were. Nobody since Paul has seen the resurrected Lord.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, it is unlikely that Timothy was a witness to the resurrection, as he is pretty clearly younger than Paul. It is also unlikely that Paul would have considered Timothy an apostle at the point he first visited Thessalonica in Acts 17 (he had just added Timothy to his care the previous chapter; he was not part of the mission as sent from Antioch).
Paul's conversion didn't take place that many years after the resurrection. Timothy may have been a child, but it's very possible that he and his family were some of the tens of thousands who were in Jerusalem that Passover week.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostPaul's conversion didn't take place that many years after the resurrection. Timothy may have been a child, but it's very possible that he and his family were some of the tens of thousands who were in Jerusalem that Passover week.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostPossible, but his father was a Greek - and may not have been willing to make such trips, or allow his family members to make them; after all, he didn't allow his son to be circumcised, and that was much more important than a trip to Jerusalem.
Then perhaps Timothy and the others cannot be considered capital "A" Apostles. There were many "a" apostles.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI don't think Timothy was actually ever called an apostle in scripture, but a pastor.
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