Tourette's Syndrome

[Cow Poke]

I absolutely agree with you on this.

And so we leave those situations in God's hands. Because only He knows the heart.

EGGzackly

[One Bad Pig]

OK, I'll step in it....

It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.

Even in sickness, we can turn to or away from God. Suicide and cancer are vastly different things. Where someone ends up is up to God, but taking one's own life is pretty seriously wrong.

[Cow Poke]

Even in sickness, we can turn to or away from God. Suicide and cancer are vastly different things. Where someone ends up is up to God, but taking one's own life is pretty seriously wrong.

I don't argue that it's seriously wrong, and I don't make that a blanket "gee, that's sad, but ok" -- it would have a whole lot to do with what was going on in their life prior to death. I just don't think it's necessarily a ticket to hell.

[KingsGambit]

I'll dissent and state that I lean toward thinking profanity is not inherently sinful. I don't think the Ephesians passage is focused so much on specific words as it is the function of language. The context seems to be divisiveness and the health of the congregation. After all, many scholars believe that Paul used profanity in Philippians 3:8 (skubala), but he had a specific rhetorical purpose for his use of this (sort of like the (in)famous Tony Campolo quote).

Some uses of language are indefensible, such as racial slurs or cursing at people.

[Cow Poke]

I'll dissent and state that I lean toward thinking profanity is not inherently sinful. I don't think the Ephesians passage is focused so much on specific words as it is the function of language. The context seems to be divisiveness and the health of the congregation. After all, many scholars believe that Paul used profanity in Philippians 3:8 (skubala), but he had a specific rhetorical purpose for his use of this (sort of like the (in)famous Tony Campolo quote).

Some uses of language are indefensible, such as racial slurs or cursing at people.

Been a while, but I heard a story about a preacher who began his sermon....

"I want to say two things this morning...

1) Millions of people are dying every day and going to hell
2) Most of you sitting here this morning don't even give a damn!

After audible gasps from the audience....

But the main thing is that most of you are more concerned about the fact that I said damn than that I said millions of people are going to hell.

[KingsGambit]

Been a while, but I heard a story about a preacher who began his sermon....

"I want to say two things this morning...

1) Millions of people are dying every day and going to hell
2) Most of you sitting here this morning don't even give a damn!

After audible gasps from the audience....

But the main thing is that most of you are more concerned about the fact that I said damn than that I said millions of people are going to hell.

That's the Tony Campolo quote I mentioned in my last post, except he said something stronger than "damn", and I think the context was starving children.

[Cow Poke]

That's the Tony Campolo quote I mentioned in my last post, except he said something stronger than "damn", and I think the context was starving children.

Oh!

[One Bad Pig]

I don't argue that it's seriously wrong, and I don't make that a blanket "gee, that's sad, but ok" -- it would have a whole lot to do with what was going on in their life prior to death. I just don't think it's necessarily a ticket to hell.

Er, that's why I said it was up to God.

[Jedidiah]

OK, I'll step in it....

It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.

Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?

[The Remonstrant]

My grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".

I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person[.]"

She would still be morally responsible for trying to refrain from using those words. Correct? Aren't we responsible for refraining from bad behavior even behavior that does not really reflect who we really are?

Am I responsible for things that are wholly outside my control?

You are responsible for how you react to them.

Does this not assume that I am not radically mentally impaired or ill in some way? If, for example, I am extremely mentally ill, would you consider me to be responsible for (re)acting in ways that are not befitting a reasonably sane person?

[Cow Poke]

Does this not assume that I am not radically mentally impaired or ill in some way? If, for example, I am extremely mentally ill, would you consider me to be responsible for (re)acting in ways that are not befitting a reasonably sane person?

wow

[Cow Poke]

Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?

To my knowledge, it came with the Catholic church - that since this is a final act, there's no way to go to confession to deal with it. That's what I've been told by a couple of Catholic priests, but they didn't sound particularly invested in that.

[Cow Poke]

Er, that's why I said it was up to God.

It is, indeed.

[The Remonstrant]

wow

[One Bad Pig]

Where exactly, in Scripture, does the horror of suicide originate? Or is it just something added on?

Suicide is self-murder. In scripture, murder is rather obviously wrong. While 1 John 1:9 is most obviously going to be cited by those traditions which practice confession to a priest, I'm fairly certain that even Protestants would be hesitant about the salvation of an unrepentant murderer, and Protestants tend to insist that repentance must occur before death.