Tourette's Syndrome

[One Bad Pig]

Yeah, it was explained to me that it was a hateful slur against the blood of Christ. Never really tried to prove that, but that's what I was told.

Further, it was explained that the "bloody mary" drink was pretty much the ultimate in insult to Mary.

AFAIR, "bloody mary" refers to the Queen of England.

[One Bad Pig]

It's hard for me to get past how lame that translation sounds.

Ephesians 5:3-13

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
. . . .
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

If you read the whole chapter, in context it's saying that we shouldn't talk about sexual sins in an approving way, or even in a joking way or neutral way. Instead, we should only talk about them in a condemning way.

It's hard for me to get past how terrible your exegesis tends to be, but I manage. That passage is not only about sexual sins.

[Cow Poke]

AFAIR, "bloody mary" refers to the Queen of England.

Yeah, I learned that later.

[Hornet]

In my house growing up, "the f-word" was "freak". We were not allowed to use that word.

If you say it loudly when you are angry, it sounds like a cuss word. It's better to say something like "That's terrible!" or "That's nonsense!"

[Cow Poke]

If you say it loudly when you are angry, it sounds like a cuss word. It's better to say something like "That's terrible!" or "That's nonsense!"

One of my Dad's favorite "cuss words" was "Peanut Butter".

[Jedidiah]

I tend to use "feather duster."

[One Bad Pig]

I tend to use "feather duster."

If I *have* to make a sound, I just yell without articulating anything. I avoid hearing/reading cussing as much as I can (avoiding it entirely is an impossibility) to make myself less prone to using it. Most times I manage to stop at thoughts.

[Hornet]

My grandmother, who was a very godly woman all her life, spent her last few months in a nursing home swearing at everybody, to the shock and horror of my younger siblings. I just had to keep reminding them "that's not her".

I realize that's different from Tourette's Syndrome's coprolalia, but I think, like with my gramma, you have to realize "that's not really that person".

She would still be morally responsible for trying to refrain from using those words. Correct? Aren't we responsible for refraining from bad behavior even behavior that does not really reflect who we really are?

[The Remonstrant]

It's hard for me to get past how lame that translation sounds.

Ephesians 5:3-13

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
. . . .
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

If you read the whole chapter, in context it's saying that we shouldn't talk about sexual sins in an approving way, or even in a joking way or neutral way. Instead, we should only talk about them in a condemning way.

It's hard for me to get past how terrible your exegesis tends to be, but I manage. That passage is not only about sexual sins.

The context is not narrow enough to be confined solely to sins of a sexual nature; you are correct. That said, I believe Obsidian made a valid point.

[The Remonstrant]

She would still be morally responsible for trying to refrain from using those words. Correct? Aren't we responsible for refraining from bad behavior even behavior that does not really reflect who we really are?

Am I responsible for things that are wholly outside my control?

[Cow Poke]

Am I responsible for things that are wholly outside my control?

You are responsible for how you react to them.

[mossrose]

This same question could be asked about someone with dementia or Alzheimer's.

Is a believer with one of these conditions considered less a believer if they have forgotten anything they knew about God?

I believe that God is in charge of keeping my salvation, not me. And if a medical condition arises that takes away my conscious knowledge of Him, He still knows me.

Don't know much about Tourette's, but it seems to me that if a person has a condition over which they have no control, God doesn't hold that against them.

[Obsidian]

The context is not narrow enough to be confined solely to sins of a sexual nature; you are correct.

Fornication and uncleanness both refer to sex. In this context, "covetous" refers to sex as well (meaning adulterous lust). All the different words about talking are obviously meant to refer to talking about the aforementioned sins. That's why Paul specifically says that the things are shameful to talk about, and describes the activities as things that the wicked do "in secret." But he nonetheless says it is okay to talk about them in the context of condemning them. So to me, it's pretty clear that it's talking about sexual speech.

I used to not understand what it meant, or why "jesting" would be condemned, or what exactly "foolish talking" meant. And then I looked at the passage real closely and figured it out.

[Cow Poke]

This same question could be asked about someone with dementia or Alzheimer's.

Is a believer with one of these conditions considered less a believer if they have forgotten anything they knew about God?

I believe that God is in charge of keeping my salvation, not me. And if a medical condition arises that takes away my conscious knowledge of Him, He still knows me.

Don't know much about Tourette's, but it seems to me that if a person has a condition over which they have no control, God doesn't hold that against them.

OK, I'll step in it....

It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.

[mossrose]

OK, I'll step in it....

It's also kinda like suicide... people ask, "if they commit suicide, do they go to hell"? And I answer "if they die of cancer, do they go to hell?" I think, in many cases, suicide is a kind of sickness - deep depression, or whatever (I don't pretend to understand it) but I think often it's the result of a sickness.

I absolutely agree with you on this.

And so we leave those situations in God's hands. Because only He knows the heart.