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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining "Christian" or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
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Okay, we get it. There are a lot of heretics, always have been, always will be.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIf it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by GoBahnsen View PostThat's pathetic. How do these people find so many suckers? Ok...but for the grace of God, there go I...
The reason there are so many "suckers" is because people aren't into the Word enough to be discerning. And let's face it, everybody wants to be healthy and wealthy and have all their troubles addressed by someone who doesn't bother with the core message of repentance and faith in Christ.
There are no "Bible studies" anymore. There are "small groups", in which social and feel-good messages are watched/listened to/read. No actual scripture is studied, and so the problem perpetuates itself.
And it goes all the way back to seminaries, where liberalism has taken over and the gospel has been watered down. The pastors in the pulpits are tickling ears, and the people hearing are not being fed. They don't grow, they accept pap, and the problem grows.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by GoBahnsen View PostThat's pathetic. How do these people find so many suckers? Ok...but for the grace of God, there go I...
It doesn't take the grace of God to prevent people from believing lies and nonsense like the teachings of charlatans, just an education.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI would hesitate to call these people suckers. They are generally highly uneducated people mired in poverty (with many chronic ailments) who will give their last dollar to anyone providing hope from the Bible that they were raised to believe has authority. Undoubtedly they go and listen to these men for motivation to live another day and to escape the hell that characterizes their lives through "spiritual ecstasy". Charlatans or well-meaning people (like Joyce Meyer) take advantage and/or perpetuate the problem.
It doesn't take the grace of God to prevent people from believing lies and nonsense like the teachings of charlatans, just an education. [Emphasis added.]For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by phat8594 View PostWhat do people think about the following quote:
Without thinking too much about it, the quote seems kind of silly. Natures, whether human or divine, do not experience death, persons do.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostHere's the link to the article for the full context, for anyone interested: http://www.ligonier.org/blog/it-accu...od-died-cross/
Without thinking too much about it, the quote seems kind of silly. Natures, whether human or divine, do not experience death, persons do.
So essentially, it seems he is denying the death, burial, and resurrection of the person of Christ....
seems to me that he is at least borderline on what the historical chuch considered heresy...
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Originally posted by phat8594 View PostWhat do people think about the following quote:We should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ
First, God cannot die. Second, the Son of God did die, on the cross, completing the atonement (John 19:28, 30) before He physically died, and then physically died, to be buried and to be risen from the dead as the first immortal man. The Son of God never ceased being God. So as God, did experience death. Now the human nature of Christ can only atone one man for one man, it was in His divine nature that He can atone for all humans. The Son of God is one Person, who is two in nature, both human and God, and those two natures were not and are not mixed. So it is, God never died, the Son of God did, not just the man.Last edited by 37818; 02-16-2014, 09:16 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Oral Roberts:
I felt an overwhelming holy presence all around me. When I opened my eyes, there He stood ... some 900 feet tall, looking at me ... He stood a full 300 feet taller than the 600-foot-tall City of Faith. There I was face to face with Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. I have only seen Jesus once before, but here I was face to face with the King of kings. He reached down, put his Hands under the City of Faith, lifted it, and said to me, "See how easy it is for Me to lift it!" (circa 1977)
I want you to use the ORU (Oral Roberts University) medical school to put My medical presence in the earth. I want you to get this going in one year or I will call you home. It will cost $8 million and I want you to believe you can raise it. (Abundant Life, Jan/Feb. 1987)
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell, I do not know who said that.
First, God cannot die. Second, the Son of God did die, on the cross, completing the atonement (John 19:28, 30) before He physically died, and then physically died, to be buried and to be risen from the dead as the first immortal man. The Son of God never ceased being God. So as God, did experience death. Now the human nature of Christ can only atone one man for one man, it was in His divine nature that He can atone for all humans. The Son of God is one Person, who is two in nature, both human and God, and those two natures were not and are not mixed. So it is, God never died, the Son of God did, not just the man.
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