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? How does the speaker's statement, "Paul says, 'I'll do whatever it takes, short・of・sin' " relate to the commentator's interpretation, "As long as someone gets saved, who cares how we facilitate that" followed by "That's nonsense because it assumes that what is being done isn't sinful and prohibited."Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Whoa there! Slow down! We need to ascertain guilt here first.Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Burn the witches!!!!!
Anybody gotta duck?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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Where's eider when you need him?Originally posted by rogue06 View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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The silly goose has a duck?Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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per Wikipedia: The eiders are large seaducks in the genus Somateria. The three extant species all breed in the cooler latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere. Eider.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
eider.jpg1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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I have been tempted to call him ducky on occasion - but - NCIS's Ducky and all that.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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This isn't about me?Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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There's an interesting story about that that goes back to when I was a wee lad in Scotland....Originally posted by tabibito View Post
[Gibbs] Ya got anything for me Dr. Mallard? [/Gibbs]The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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He was promoting universalism in a Facebook group I'm in a year or two ago.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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Here's an interesting look at that: The Pastoral Malpractice of Preaching UniversalismOriginally posted by KingsGambit View Post
In the historic teaching of the Church, preaching can be summarized with the words of the Lord and of His saints: “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand.” Preaching is essentially an exhortation to repentance. It is the command to do something—to repent—because something is happening—the Kingdom is coming.
But how would you frame this preaching if universalism is true?
Assuming that all will be saved no matter what, why exactly should people be exhorted to repent?
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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This is adjacent to the oft-cited idea that the church somehow puts way too much emphasis on the idea of eternal life, presumably to the detriment of putting Jesus's teachings into emphasis on the ground level. I even heard it from the pulpit recently and I've seen the idea on TWeb. I never see this fleshed out in an idea I find satisfactory. After all, Paul teaches that we are without hope had Jesus not been raised.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
Universalists have a couple of responses to this - one is that if it's true, it's true regardless of the implications, and the other (generally from the more conservative universalists who hold to more or less orthodox beliefs otherwise) is that the sinner can at least avoid a stay in purgatory. But given that I presuppose that universalism is not true, it seems to be pastoral malpractice at the very minimum, in large part for the reason you cite."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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