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  • Satan cannot be saved because...

    The question surrounding whether and why not Satan (and by extension other fallen angels) can be saved has plagued theologians for millenia, but I think I had a bit of a breakthrough on the main reason why not.

    What is the penalty for sin? Death.

    Well, what is the penalty IF YOU CANNOT DIE?!

    Hades. Tartarus. Downstairs.

    This is why when Adam and Eve sinned, God had an out ready for them. They were told that if they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would die. (Original Hebrew indicates they would become subject to death, rather than saying they'd die on the spot). They had organic bodies capable of mortality. Angels are spirits without bodies, and thus are immortal. One sin, and that's all for them, that's all she wrote. Not sure why that works that way, but apparently it does.

    So the short answer is, Satan etc. cannot be saved because they are immortal. That is also why one can't be saved after death (PS this is also why the Jehovahs' Witnesses idea of Annihilation makes NO SENSE). This is also why after God remakes everything and makes everyone immortal, nobody that was saved will be able to sin, because that'll be fixed, just like how no further Angels can sin. It's debatable whether God fixed loyalties sometime after Satan fell, and thus that became a two-edged sword, confirming the rest of the Angels that were loyal in non-ability to sin at all, while condemning all the sinful Angels for all eternity.

    I've googled and so far I've seen many theories, but none so far have even pondered this particular point. But if you look at the evidence, it all fits.

    So, next time you ponder about how awful death is, thank God that you're ABLE to die. Otherwise you'd have no hope at all.

  • #2
    Well, it doesn't really take into account the rapture/resurrection. Otherwise the theory seems okay, I guess. I think Hebrews 2:14 teaches that Satan cannot be saved because Jesus didn't die for him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      Well, it doesn't really take into account the rapture/resurrection. Otherwise the theory seems okay, I guess. I think Hebrews 2:14 teaches that Satan cannot be saved because Jesus didn't die for him.
      That is true, but the underlying reason is that it's impossible to die for something that cannot die.

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      • #4
        None of the angels are redeemable. They aren't the same creation as mankind.


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        • #5
          yes, that is also true, but the main difference is the inability to die.

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          • #6
            I always figured that if Satan confessed his sins and begged for forgiveness that even he could be saved but being the epitome of pride he'll never do it.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              I always figured that if Satan confessed his sins and begged for forgiveness that even he could be saved but being the epitome of pride he'll never do it.
              The reason I tend not to think so is because of the horde of demons that begged for mercy before being sent into the herd of pigs. If it were possible, you would have think at least one would have repented. (Also, along the same lines, the demons believe, and shudder.)
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #8
                They chose to rebel even though they were in the direct presence of God and had to know much better than us about God's attributes. Who does that? One could argue that we act more like animals when we sin and not really deliberately sinning to be in direct rebellion against God. And there is the mortality thing. Why does God care about us puny creatures anyway?
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #9
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    The reason I tend not to think so is because of the horde of demons that begged for mercy before being sent into the herd of pigs. If it were possible, you would have think at least one would have repented. (Also, along the same lines, the demons believe, and shudder.)
                    Is okay that I find it funny that the demons were more scared of Jesus that some random thus would be afraid of the hero of the story showing up to kick their butts. And, why did those idiots rebel in the first place? You can't win a fight against the Creator of the universe!
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #11
                      Jesus did not die for angels. He died for men. Angels had their one shot to choose and a third of them chose rebellion.

                      Angels do not understand salvation as we do. 1 Peter 10-12 makes that clear.

                      And the op is incorrect in that physical death is NOT the end punishment of sin. It is a result of a fallen world, yes, but the "wages of sin is death" is referring to spiritual death.

                      And Satan and his angels will suffer that alongside humans who also rebel.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        The reason I tend not to think so is because of the horde of demons that begged for mercy before being sent into the herd of pigs. If it were possible, you would have think at least one would have repented. (Also, along the same lines, the demons believe, and shudder.)
                        It is inconceivable that they wouldn't know or believe but they refuse to repent. Begging for mercy is not the same as repenting.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          It is inconceivable that they wouldn't know or believe but they refuse to repent. Begging for mercy is not the same as repenting.
                          Course not! Otherwise there would be no crime in fantasy stories considering the number of times bad guys freak out when the hero shows up.
                          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OfficialPro View Post

                            Well, what is the penalty IF YOU CANNOT DIE?!
                            Why are angels unable to die? Is God unable to give them death? Your theory includes limiting God's power.
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • #15
                              I don't think God's goodness would allow someone repentent, no matter what sin they committed, to stay damned. Its because humans would repent, and to save them that I think Christ choose to die for them, as an ultimate act of love.

                              The reason I don't think God has implemented any means of salvation for the demons, is because I don't think they ever will repent. That's the view of classical theology. These cosmically intelligent beings had no illusions about what they were chosing when they rebelled against God. They chose to hate him, and the consequences of that, rather than to serve him. This act was done with complete integrity, and so they will never change their opinion. Its metaphysically impossible for them to repent.

                              Human can, and do change our opinion. And with the help of God's grace we can even repent from sin and be forgiven, because of Christ's sacrifice of Himself to God the Father.

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