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  • "No Fly" list becomes "No Gun" list?

    So, Obama's big speech from the White House (only his 3rd in his presidency) included this....



    Well, even the left leaning folks at Vox see the problem....



    So, skeptics see this as the nose of the camel coming under the edge of the tent, so to speak.

    IF the "no fly" list becomes a "no gun" list, then it would be easy to add people to the "no fly" list to prevent them from purchasing weapons.

    Maybe Obama should say "if you were able to board a plane before, you can keep your boarding pass - period!"

    More from Vox, same site....

    Last edited by Cow Poke; 12-08-2015, 03:27 AM.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    One of the problems with the no-fly list and using it for other purposes is that there is no procedure set in place to have your name removed from it. Those who have been placed upon it by mistake have discovered that it can take several years of constant fighting to finally be removed.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      One of the problems with the no-fly list and using it for other purposes is that there is no procedure set in place to have your name removed from it. Those who have been placed upon it by mistake have discovered that it can take several years of constant fighting to finally be removed.
      That's what
      - She

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        One of the problems with the no-fly list and using it for other purposes is that there is no procedure set in place to have your name removed from it. Those who have been placed upon it by mistake have discovered that it can take several years of constant fighting to finally be removed.
        The Late Senator Ted Kennedy complained bitterly about being kept from flying because his name was on the list.

        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          The Late Senator Ted Kennedy complained bitterly about being kept from flying because his name was on the list.
          And that's for someone who is famous and with a lot of political pull. Imagine what happens to those who aren't famous or so well-connected. Back where I worked in 2006-7 the uncle of a co-worker of mine who had retired from the military after nearly 30 years and awarded a Silver Star in Vietnam was put on the list a couple years after 9/11 and it took him over 3 years to finally get it straightened out. Meanwhile he couldn't fly which was important in his job and led to his decision to take an early retirement.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            And that's for someone who is famous and with a lot of political pull. Imagine what happens to those who aren't famous or so well-connected. Back where I worked in 2006-7 the uncle of a co-worker of mine who had retired from the military after nearly 30 years and awarded a Silver Star in Vietnam was put on the list a couple years after 9/11 and it took him over 3 years to finally get it straightened out. Meanwhile he couldn't fly which was important in his job and led to his decision to take an early retirement.
            But you can pay EXTRA for back ground scrutiny that puts you on a supposed "speed check".

            (I wonder what happens if you have that, and STILL show up on the no fly list)
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              What does it say about our country's state when you think "gee I miss politicians like Ted Kennedy"
              A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
              George Bernard Shaw

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              • #8
                There's no way this new policy is going to fly. I just can't see it getting off the ground.
                I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                  There's no way this new policy is going to fly. I just can't see it getting off the ground.
                  I see what you did there.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    I see what you did their.
                    FIFY n/c


                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      So, Obama's big speech from the White House (only his 3rd in his presidency) included this....
                      http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/06/po...s-no-fly-list/
                      Trump indicates support for Obummer's proposal!!! All us true conservatives are shocked!!
                      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        I see what you did there.
                        Do you think I made it plane enough?
                        I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                          Do you think I made it plane enough?
                          Ummmm.... crash and burn
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Wouldn't stop terrorism but it would be a perfect way to keep a person (or persons) you didn't like from buying a gun.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              Wouldn't stop terrorism but it would be a perfect way to keep a person (or persons) you didn't like from buying a gun.
                              And it's not like the IRS has never violated the "treat everybody the same" principle.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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