Immigration Op Ed

[Bill the Cat]

I like the way this guy sums things up:

Source: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-changing-definition-of-the-american-dream/

By Joe Pagliarulo

The perceived conservative war on Latinos or immigrants was invented by those who don’t want immigrants to realize the American Dream. Well, not the dreams of our immigrant ancestors and those who built this country. Somehow, big government advocates in power have convinced today’s immigrants that they should come here illegally, work off the books, pay no taxes, hide, learn the language or not, and put their hands out. They have redefined the American Dream to mean: Come to the US and we’ll give you free food, rent, diapers, electricity, a cell phone and more in the form of entitlements. If you’re here — they’ve convinced many — you’re entitled to all of this. In return, all we want is your vote when you’re able to vote. If you can’t, just have your family members who can, vote for us. I don’t think today’s immigrants are lazy nor without direction or goals and dreams. I just think the movement by the far left was to disincentivize as many as possible from going and getting it for themselves through hard work and less control by a central government and to force them into a state of reliance on them.

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I guess the cite tags aren't working yet...

[Darth Executor]

No mention of existing and inevitable racial strife
No mention of Big Business colluding to destroy american workers' wages
Obsessive fixation with welfare

Illegal immigration is the "Final Solution" to the conservative problem, and by the looks of it conservatives are quite happy to guard their own concentration camps.

[Bill the Cat]

No mention of existing and inevitable racial strife
No mention of Big Business colluding to destroy american workers' wages
Obsessive fixation with welfare

Illegal immigration is the "Final Solution" to the conservative problem, and by the looks of it conservatives are quite happy to guard their own concentration camps.

The American worker, and their demand for "more", is a major factor in destroying their own wages.

[Darth Executor]

The American worker, and their demand for "more", is a major factor in destroying their own wages.

Q_Q

How dare they? All that money rightfully belongs to liberal oligarchs so they can use it to replace your culture and religion with decadence and misery.

[Bill the Cat]

Q_Q

How dare they? All that money rightfully belongs to liberal oligarchs so they can use it to replace your culture and religion with decadence and misery.

When idiot lifetime McDonald's fry basket attendants demand $12-$13 an hour just so they can pay the minimum payment on their overpriced bass boat that they really couldn't afford in the first place, what should the business owners do? Why should anyone have to pay for another person's financial irresponsibility?

[Darth Executor]

When idiot lifetime McDonald's fry basket attendants demand $12-$13 an hour just so they can pay the minimum payment on their overpriced bass boat that they really couldn't afford in the first place

This is a common and realistic scenario.

[One Bad Pig]

This is a common and realistic scenario.

You're right. They're demanding $15/hour.

[Darth Executor]

You're right. They're demanding $15/hour.

Take from Warren Buffet and give them $15/hour. It's the better deal.

[Bill the Cat]

Take from Warren Buffet and give them $15/hour. It's the better deal.

ANd most of them will take that increase and buy something else on credit that they can't afford. It's not the possession of cash that is the problem, its the lack of ability to use it wisely.

[Darth Executor]

ANd most of them will take that increase and buy something else on credit that they can't afford. It's not the possession of cash that is the problem, its the lack of ability to use it wisely.

Even if that was the case (I'd like to see some hard stats), it's still a superior policy to liberal oligarchs going out of their way to give Christians the middle finger while Christians are busy making sure these people can make as much money as humanly possible.

[Bill the Cat]

Even if that was the case (I'd like to see some hard stats), it's still a superior policy to liberal oligarchs going out of their way to give Christians the middle finger while Christians are busy making sure these people can make as much money as humanly possible.

What do the Grammy's nonsense have to do with businesses and their employees buying more than they can afford?

[Darth Executor]

What do the Grammy's nonsense have to do with businesses and their employees buying more than they can afford?

What does buying more than they can afford have to do with stupid immigration policy and its devastating effects?

[Bill the Cat]

What does buying more than they can afford have to do with stupid immigration policy and its devastating effects?

You originally commented:

No mention of Big Business colluding to destroy American workers' wages

American workers are wasting their own wages, and begging for more wages just causes the consumption based debt to increase. It has nothing to do with immigration, yet you brought it up, so I addressed it.

[Darth Executor]

You originally commented:

American workers are wasting their own wages, and begging for more wages just causes the consumption based debt to increase. It has nothing to do with immigration, yet you brought it up, so I addressed it.

It DOES have something to do with immigration, because the bigger the available labor pool gets, the lower the wages (and the higher the unemployment). Your comment, based on data you have yet to present, doesn't really address it since you're complaining that workers are not willing to work for subsistence (and often, below) level wages when they really shouldn't have to in the first place.

[Bill the Cat]

It DOES have something to do with immigration, because the bigger the available labor pool gets, the lower the wages (and the higher the unemployment).

Lower wages SHOULD mean lower prices for consumable goods, but it doesn't because people spend more than they make.

Your comment, based on data you have yet to present,

You really need proof that consumer debt to income ratio stays the same until income reaches the top 20%?

http://aldobarba.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/cje.pdf

doesn't really address it since you're complaining that workers are not willing to work for subsistence (and often, below) level wages when they really shouldn't have to in the first place.

No, I am complaining that we have a VERY skewed version of what "subsistence" entails.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0419151455.htm

Based on interviews conducted before the 2008 financial crisis, researchers found that even though consumers espouse that they should limit their debt, they take on significant debt because doing so has become normal. As one participant put it, taking on debt is "the American way."