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Here's a bit of sanity from The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf, who outspokenly supports gay marriage:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...troyed/389489/"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostHere's a bit of sanity from The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf, who outspokenly supports gay marriage:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...troyed/389489/
Whereas declining to cater a gay wedding affects people on one day of their life at most, denies them access to no public accommodation, and would seem to signal discomfort with the institution of same-sex marriage more than animus toward gay people (so long as we're still talking about businesses that gladly serve gays). I also suspect that the sorts of businesses that are uncomfortable catering a hypothetical gay wedding aren't uniquely averse to events where same-sex couples are celebrating nuptials. I'd wager, for example, that they'd feel a religious obligation to refrain from catering an art exhibition filled with sacrilegious pieces like Piss Christ, the awards ceremony for pornography professionals, a Planned Parenthood holiday party, or a Richard Dawkins speaking engagement...
...The owners of Memories Pizza are, I think, mistaken in what their Christian faith demands of them. And I believe their position on gay marriage to be wrongheaded. But I also believe that the position I'll gladly serve any gay customers but I feel my faith compels me to refrain from catering a gay wedding is less hateful or intolerant than let's go burn that family's business to the ground.Last edited by seer; 04-04-2015, 11:04 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I love making up rules as you go along."Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by kiwimac View PostActually that is how the law reads here in NZ. Once you've opened your doors to the public you can no longer decide a person is "not your type."
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Why is that 'dishonest'?"Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by Kristian Joensen View PostThen the law in New Zealand ought to be changed."Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI see grounds here for a food fight.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThen they could be allowed to not serve people of color. What color? Depends on the judgment of the shopkeeper.
We should adopt a maximal conception of the freedom of association, you shouldn't be forced to deal with people you for whatever reason, rational or irrational, don't want to deal with.
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Originally posted by Kristian Joensen View PostIf you want to refuse to serve people born on an even numbered date that should be your right. Popular rights don't need defending. Unpopular ones do. The right to be smart doesn't need defending, the right to be stupid does. The right to support same sex marriage needs no defending, the right to oppose it does. The rights of a more enlightened person don't need defending, the rights of the scum of the Westboro Baptist "Church" needs to be defended. Etc.
We should adopt a maximal conception of the freedom of association, you shouldn't be forced to deal with people you for whatever reason, rational or irrational, don't want to deal with.
True the concept of 'a maximal conception of the freedom of association' has been established in most western countries, though your wording is a bit ambiguous. Personal lives and the freedom of association within churches and religions has been for the most part well established in western countries. Example, the right to refuse to perform Gay marriages within religions and churches is generally accepted as in the history the limiting requirements of marriages performed by clergy within religious institution have been recognized and accepted in all western countries including the USA.
If you are a civil servant or operate a business serving the public, than your obligation under the law is to serve the public without discrimination.Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-06-2015, 10:09 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostExample, the right to refuse to perform Gay marriages within religions and churches is generally accepted as in the history the limiting requirements of marriages performed by clergy within religious institution have been recognized and accepted in all western countries including the USA.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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