Impending Minimum Wage hike causing restaurants to close

[Cerebrum123]

Or sneezing on it, or handling it when they've been picking their nose...

Or worse. You don't even want to know the stories I've heard, and they were on the local news!

Then there was the time I needed some kind of shot after eating at a specific Arby's.

[Sparko]

like I said, you don't know history.

you have mindset of Russians and Ukrainians before the Tartars displaced them

and you have mindset of Tartars before the Russians and Ukrainians kicked them back out.

.and the Neanderthals thought European real estate was theirs till they were displaced by Cro-Magnon humans.

and you have mindset I used to have when I was Neocon_Voter and thrilled to see the Red States Map of 2004The USA belongs to the American Voters.
Most of them just don't know it yet.

Yeah and you want to vote America into a socialist state.

[jordanriver]

Sure they do!! This is a soft tyranny of a government. The voters are relatively powerless and their "elected representatives" rarely care what their constituency wants.

EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

....without Direct Democracy , the population has no real voice, unless they are lobbyists.

I am tired of voting for "representatives" who later claim they "struggled" with the promises they made and that's why they had to vote some other way.

I know how to vote.

I don't need no stinkin politician to vote for me.

I can vote whether or not I think abortion should be legal or illegal , whether or not marriage is one man one woman , or if its something else, I can vote whether or not 'right to bear arms' is for individuals or some official "militia"

The only "representatives" I believe we need are managers who know how to keep the infrastructure and general safety and security maintained,
...so the bridge over the Mississippi doesn't collapse,
...so planed don't regularly drop out of the sky
...so the meat is safe to eat and the water safe to drink
...secure the borders, and secure the citizens from criminals

just MHO.

let the people vote and let the chips fall where they may,
...if I am outnumbered, so be it.

[jordanriver]

How many people do you supervise?

Do you make sure all of your entry level workers are making $15/hour? And give up a portion of your salary to make it more fair?

you are replacing my original argument with a false one of your imagination.

The chart and solution was the same as if there was a 'gratuity-type' 20% addition for the laborers,
....more or less a service charge, strictly to go to the laborers.

NOTHING was subtracted from management.

The "Before-tax profit" on that chart was $27,101.
NOTHING was taken from that $27,101

NOT ONE CENT.

[Cow Poke]

I am tired of voting for "representatives" who later claim they "struggled" with the promises they made and that's why they had to vote some other way.

Then you need to go live in a country that has a true democracy as their form of government. Ours is a representative republic.

"And it's the worst form of government in the world, except all others". -- Churchhill

[Sparko]

you are replacing my original argument with a false one of your imagination.

The chart and solution was the same as if there was a 'gratuity-type' 20% addition for the laborers,
....more or less a service charge, strictly to go to the laborers.

NOTHING was subtracted from management.

The "Before-tax profit" on that chart was $27,101.
NOTHING was taken from that $27,101

NOT ONE CENT.

I already pointed out the flaws in your "idea"

But the others here think that the haves should willingly reduce their pay to help pay for the have-nots. As a supervisor, you would be one of those who would be affected. And you have said that you think the unskilled workers should be making more.

So... What are you doing to make sure the unskilled workers you supervise are getting paid enough to make a living off of?

[jordanriver]

I already pointed out the flaws in your "idea"

But the others here think that the haves should willingly reduce their pay to help pay for the have-nots. As a supervisor, you would be one of those who would be affected. And you have said that you think the unskilled workers should be making more.

So... What are you doing to make sure the unskilled workers you supervise are getting paid enough to make a living off of?

lets say you own a restaurant.

one day, an eccentric customer comes in and gives your waitress a $10,000 tip.

and its more than you make in a day (or a month)

...exactly how is your pay "reduced"??

[Bill the Cat]

lets say you own a restaurant.

one day, an eccentric customer comes in and gives your waitress a $10,000 tip.

and its more than you make in a day (or a month)

...exactly how is your pay "reduced"??

That's not the same at all as you "requiring" a 20% gratuity from all of your customers.

[jordanriver]

Then you need to go live in a country that has a true democracy as their form of government. Ours is a representative republic.

"And it's the worst form of government in the world, except all others". -- Churchhill

if you can keep it

[jordanriver]

That's not the same at all as you "requiring" a 20% gratuity from all of your customers.

irrelevant.

either way, it does not take from the example average 'Before-tax profit' of $27,101

...and THAT was the point.

[Cow Poke]

lets say you own a restaurant.

one day, an eccentric customer comes in and gives your waitress a $10,000 tip.

and its more than you make in a day (or a month)

...exactly how is your pay "reduced"??

Ah, so now you're confused about the difference between somebody VOLUNTEERING to be generous, and the government forcing somebody against their will.

You're a girl, aren't you?

[Bill the Cat]

irrelevant.

either way, it does not take from the example average 'Before-tax profit' of $27,101

...and THAT was the point.

A volunteer gratuity and an enforced one have different results when it comes to patronage. Any first year economics student learns that.

[Sam]

I already pointed out the flaws in your "idea"

But the others here think that the haves should willingly reduce their pay to help pay for the have-nots. As a supervisor, you would be one of those who would be affected. And you have said that you think the unskilled workers should be making more.

So... What are you doing to make sure the unskilled workers you supervise are getting paid enough to make a living off of?

Who, exactly, is arguing that middle-income management ought to get reduced wages to pay for a minimum wage increase?

[Sparko]

Who, exactly, is arguing that middle-income management ought to get reduced wages to pay for a minimum wage increase?

When you cap the income from the top, and at the bottom, guess who gets shivved?

[Cow Poke]

Who, exactly, is arguing that middle-income management ought to get reduced wages to pay for a minimum wage increase?

The money has to come from somewhere, Sam. In the case of McDonalds, or many of the franchises that pay minimum wage based salaries, the franchisee is, in effect, "middle management", and has a tight budget with which to work. Labor is one of the few controllable costs in such a business, so it's either cut the hours of current employees, cut the number of employees, or dig into his/her own pocket. (or some combination of the three)

Where do YOU suppose that money would come from?