This book was something he wrote for church and was not something Cochran was espousing at work as some sort of policy. So he was fired because of expressing his religious beliefs.
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Atlanta Fire Chief - fired for being Christian.
This book was something he wrote for church and was not something Cochran was espousing at work as some sort of policy. So he was fired because of expressing his religious beliefs.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThis book was something he wrote for church and was not something Cochran was espousing at work as some sort of policy. So he was fired because of expressing his religious beliefs."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Isaiah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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So the mayor will tolerate no discrimination except for his own? Nice.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostIf Cochran didn't market the book based on his position in the public service, and if he refrained from espousing such views in his official capacity, it seems fairly clear-cut that his firing over such a matter is a violation of his Constitutional rights."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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As long as he doesn't use his views - on anything - to substitute for or represent official city policy there is no reason he should not be able to espouse those views in the public forum. City of Atlanta, meet very expensive lawsuit. Great mayor ya got there..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhen did public service strip away your right to free speech?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostWhen the 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified and the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses became extended to all government offices throughout the nation.
The Constitution protects the employee (even an at will employee in some cases) - it does not protect the public from any possibility of being offended by someone's personal views, even if that person is a public employee."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostWhen the 14th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified and the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses became extended to all government offices throughout the nation.
Are you thinking of the first amendment?Last edited by Sparko; 01-08-2015, 11:20 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthuh? I don't think it says what you think it says.
Are you thinking of the first amendment?Last edited by Boxing Pythagoras; 01-08-2015, 12:02 PM."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostThe Establishment and Free Exercise clauses are in the 1st Amendment, but originally they only applied to the Federal government of the US. Even after the ratification of the Bill of Rights, individual states were allowed to have State Churches, for example. That did not change until the 14th Amendment, after which state governments became similarly bound to 1st Amendment protections."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWould it mean that the fire chief could not decide to let any homes belonging to LGBT people to burn up? Though doing that would be unChristian also.
Not to mention simply being WRONG."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostArgh - the passage of the 14th Amendment DID NOT result in automatic incorporation. You're correct that the First Amendment has been incorporated but you're applying it incorrectly. It protects the INDIVIDUAL from government - it does not rescind an individual's rights merely because they become a public employee.
However, as I agreed in my initial post, it does not seem that he was voicing his opinion in his official capacity as a representative of the government. Rather, he was doing so as a private citizen. There is no violation, there. In fact, perhaps ironically, it is precisely because Mayor Reed is utilizing his official capacity as a representative of the government to voice his opinion on Cochran's religious convictions that Cochran's firing is a violation of the 1st Amendment."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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