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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostGoes to state of mind - admissible but you need to show relevance. Given his alleged confrontational attitude, I think the case for relevance can be made but I'm dubious this will show up at trial. The GJ may hear it, however.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSince WHEN have you ever been here for an "honest discussion"?
Not what you said, Jimmy --- and I asked REPEATEDLY for an explanation, but you just dug yourself in deeper, as is your "agenda".
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNot sure what you are getting at Robrecht. Two reports have been released, both long after the event, the both of which are blank. Also, you have right there in the link you provided where it states that Wilson never filed an incident report.
Originally posted by JimL View PostWell we will have to agree to disagree on that and I have heard law professionals argue both sides as well. But that is not the law that this case rests on anyway, so it is a moot point either way. The heart of the matter is whether or not Brown was surrendering when he was shot dead. The witnesses say that he was. Wilson on the other hand didn't file a report, and the County investigators have not released any details. There is only one reason for that, and that reason is a cover-up so that they can counteract any incriminating evidence that might emerge in the interim.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, you just hear what you want to hear CP, the same way you constantly take statements out of context.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThen so to would the fact that he just finished high school and was about to begin college.
Besides, none of this matters if he was, as was testified to by many witnesses, surrendering with his hands in the air. If instead he was rushing headlong into gunfire to attack the officer, then the officer has a case for deadly force. But so far there is no evidence of that being the case.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Job Applicant: I want a job.
Hiring Manager: I see on your facebook page a whole bunch of pictures of you flashing gang signs.
Job Applicant: Yeah, well, I was only kidding.
Hiring Manager: And you robbed a convenient store of some swisher sweets?
Job Applicant: The clerk was just a wimp - I didn't "rob" the store, I simply took what I wanted and he failed to stop me.
Hiring Manager: So you physically assaulted the clerk, then turned to intimidate him?
Job Applicant: Yeah, well, he was in my way.
Hiring Manager: You realize that swisher sweets are often used to make blunts, yes?
Job Applicant: I do that on my own time, with my buddies who also like to be photographed flashing gang signs.
Hiring Manager: Well, I'm sorry, but I don't think I can hire you.
Job Applicant: But I am signed up to go to Trade School!
Hiring Manager: Oh, well THAT makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD!!!!!
Last edited by Cow Poke; 09-01-2014, 06:21 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostI wouldn't have enough evidence to make an assessment, which isn't the case when it comes to police dealing with unarmed people.
Leaving aside the fact that these is no evidence that Brown was attacking anyone, you could use a taser or pepper spray.
That doesn't seem to be a problem for the unarmed police in other countries, so it looks like our police are inferior. We should remedy that.
I don't know about that. I think the UK is relatively equal to us in that regard.
Not necessarily. If it looks like a physical threat is imminent, I take no issue either. I do take issue with assuming that anyone trespassing on your property wants to kill you. Escalating the situation by shooting at someone who otherwise wouldn't harm you could increase the danger to yourself and your family. Threat assessment is an important skill and should be a vital for gun owners.
And again, if he didn't want to be thought of as a threat, he shouldn't of been where he wasn't invited to start with, but I guess using PM logicTM you should just wait until they attempt to hurt you before you do anything about it. Again, do me a favor, don't run for office. We have enough insanity in office without adding somebody who would protect criminals from harm."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd again, if he didn't want to be thought of as a threat, he shouldn't of been where he wasn't invited to start with, but I guess using PM logicTM you should just wait until they attempt to hurt you before you do anything about it. Again, do me a favor, don't run for office. We have enough insanity in office without adding somebody who would protect criminals from harm.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnother CLASSIC example of liberal stupidity -- people should be free to do stupid and even illegal things with ZERO personal responsibility, and if something bad happens, it's ALWAYS the fault of somebody else. It is the entitlement society personified.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 09-01-2014, 09:14 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIn the statement you cite here, they refer to themselves as Vatterott College, but whether or not Michael Brown was pursuing a trade or an advanced degree in particle physics is completely irrelevant.
Since Jimmy keeps bringing this up, supposedly as proof that Brown was a good guy, I think it should be noted that this "college", on it's own website, seems to offer lots of trade school type stuff, so I inquired myself on their chat... OK, I was bored
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Thank you for contacting Vatterott Educational Centers, Inc. A trained Education Coordinator will be with you momentarily to discuss the programs that are offered at our campus.
[Prospective Student] Is Vatterott an accredited college?
[Sue C.] Welcome to Vatterott College, how may I help you reach your educational dreams?
[Sue C.] Hi my name is Sue, to whom am I speaking?
[Prospective Student] William
[Prospective Student] Can I get a two year or four year degree?
[Sue C.] Hi William nice to meet you, what campus are you closest to?
[Sue C.] May I ask how you heard about us?
[Prospective Student] Which campuses would offer a two or four year degree?
[Sue C.] William, that would depend on the program you are interested in
[Sue C.] and where you live.
[Prospective Student] ok, so which program would offer a 2 year or 4 year degree, and where would that be?
[Sue C.] Vatterott College and Vatterott Educational Center are accredited by the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges (ACCSC). The Accrediting Commission of Career School and colleges is listed by the U.S. Department of Education as a nationally recognized accrediting agency
[Sue C.] what city do you live in?
[Prospective Student] I'd be willing to travel -- which city offers 2 or 4 year degrees?
[Prospective Student] I don't understand why I can't get a simple answer to a simple question.
[Sue C.] http://www.vatterott.edu/ if you click on this link it is our main landing page. you will find a blue box that says"locate campus."
[Prospective Student] I've looked all over your website, I can't seem to find a 2 or 4 year degree plan.
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EVENTUALLY, I was told that I could get an associates degree in computers, but it was like pulling teeth to get THAT much info.
Now, note that I am NOT against Trade Schools -- in fact, it makes TOTAL SENSE for people to learn a trade where they can actually make money without incurring a huge debt for a Masters degree. And I know people who have attended a "college of hair design" or ... Jake actually attended Doggie College!
But the goofy unsubstantiated claim that Brown was "enrolled in college" is... well... just GOOFY relative to his robbing the store and have a fatal encounter with authority.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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OK, since things are slow, and I don't feel like laboring on labor day I did some more checking on who Brown was...
According to the Washington Post, Brown graduated late, but he DID graduate from High School, having been in "Alternative Education". I don't know what that means in Missouri, but in Texas it means you were pretty much a problem student ---
And the "college" he was attending was "to start at a local technical school to learn how to fix furnaces and air conditioners."
That's actually to be COMMENDED -- having come from a difficult environment, to actually get his high school diploma and pursue a TRADE that would hopefully result in him being a productive member of society is GREAT!
Now, if he hadn't done something incredibly stupid like steal those swisher sweets and walk down the middle of the street with his buddy, he would probably never have even MET Wilson, let alone be shot dead by him.
Bad decisions often have bad consequences. That's a shame, but it's the truth.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSince when would going even to a 4 year college make someone a "good person?"
(And Jimmy seems to place a whole lot of stock in Brown's alleged academic ambitions)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSince when would going even to a 4 year college make someone a "good person?""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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