"Five Israeli talking points, debunked".... Interesting

[Bill the Cat]

I fail to see the value of a retaliatory strike that gives civilians a warning with adequate time to evacuate, since giving civilians time to evacuate is giving militants equal time to evacuate and to take their toys with them.

Then you fail to see the predicament that Israel is in with regards to the UN. If they don't give adequate warning to civilians, they are accused of "war crimes".

[Teallaura]

FYI: You guys do realize the Iron Dome does NOT respond to all rocket attacks, right? It responds to those likely to harm infrastructure and people. A LOT of rockets do in fact get past it.

[Spartacus]

Then you fail to see the predicament that Israel is in with regards to the UN. If they don't give adequate warning to civilians, they are accused of "war crimes".

It's apparent Israel can't engage in aerial and artillery bombardments without playing into Hamas' hand. So why does it bother? What benefit does it derive from these bombardments?

[Bill the Cat]

It's apparent Israel can't engage in aerial and artillery bombardments without playing into Hamas' hand. So why does it bother? What benefit does it derive from these bombardments?

It destroys enemy targets.

[Bill the Cat]

FYI: You guys do realize the Iron Dome does NOT respond to all rocket attacks, right? It responds to those likely to harm infrastructure and people. A LOT of rockets do in fact get past it.

But, when it is deployed, it has a 90% success rate.

[Spartacus]

It destroys enemy targets.

To what effect? How many rocket attacks does each bombardment prevent? How many Israeli lives does it save? Or how many dollars in property damage (or lost commerce/productivity due to having to take shelter) does it prevent?

[Bill the Cat]

To what effect? How many rocket attacks does each bombardment prevent? How many Israeli lives does it save? Or how many dollars in property damage (or lost commerce/productivity due to having to take shelter) does it prevent?

If it saves one life, then it is worth it.

[Spartacus]

If it saves one life, then it is worth it.

But how likely is it to do that?

[Teallaura]

But, when it is deployed, it has a 90% success rate.

Yep - but it's important to understand how it actually works.

[Darth Executor]

If it saves one life, then it is worth it.

But hitting some random person's house just because Hamas shot a rocket from there and took off doesn't save any lives. In fact it probably does the opposite in the long run.

[Bill the Cat]

But how likely is it to do that?

One less terrorist to lob a rocket into a crowded marketplace? Pretty likely, I'd say.

[Bill the Cat]

But hitting some random person's house just because Hamas shot a rocket from there and took off doesn't save any lives. In fact it probably does the opposite in the long run.

Well, maybe the homeowner needed to prevent the Hamas jackass from being there in the first place.

[Darth Executor]

Well, maybe the homeowner needed to prevent the Hamas jackass from being there in the first place.

Sounds reasonable. After all Hamas are just some punk kids who keep kicking their ball in your yard and not a militant organization that will kill you if you give them lip.



http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-s...s-with-israel/

And this STILL doesn't explain what Israel gains from it.

[Spartacus]

One less terrorist to lob a rocket into a crowded marketplace? Pretty likely, I'd say.

What about the Iron Dome? That gives each rocket only a 10% chance to get through to a populated area-- assuming it's even generally on-target -- and even then, Israel's warning sirens, etc, are likely to mitigate the risk of casualties.

Israel now has it in its power to say, "We don't want to kill civilians or destroy their homes in order to protect ourselves from militants, and now, we don't have to!" I can't understand why they don't, unless, as DE suggests, they're trying to make life so unlivable for Gazans that they finally pull up stakes and leave Gaza entirely.

[Bill the Cat]

Sounds reasonable. After all Hamas are just some punk kids who keep kicking their ball in your yard and not a militant organization that will kill you if you give them lip.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-s...s-with-israel/

The only way to defeat terrorism is to stand up to them with sufficient force that they can not overwhelm you. That's basic war 101.

And this STILL doesn't explain what Israel gains from it.

The ability to live with a smidge less chance of getting your legs blown off in a nightclub.

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