American Christianity�s White-Supremacy Problem

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What I get is that you are using the same argument used by the men of sodom and gommorah to try to silence an honest voice with legitimate points and questions.

What I get is a feeling that a rather raw nerve has been touched concerning negative views of black Americans among white Christian Americans.

[seer]

The article and the book are both written by Americans and the article is published in an American magazine.

Do you not realise that?

I have merely provided a thread about the issue.

So what? The point is you have no room to judge...

[seer]

What I get is a feeling that a rather raw nerve has been touched concerning negative views of black Americans among white Christian Americans.

How about the negative views of blacks in your country?

Being Black in Berlin

https://www.handelsblatt.com/english...bIowE7o6qg-ap2

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You said Liberty University which wasn't an accredited university until the 1980s.

I quoted you some facts about Falwell's past and his initial "college". That it became Liberty University which then did take black students [in all probability out of fear that it might lose its tax free status] does not alter his previous racist educational policies and his racist outlook.

Harriet Beecher Stowe from my home town fought for the vote for both Blacks and women, that is one that comes to mind. Thaddeus Stevens was another.

See you are doing it again, assuming my motives. And why would I be seeing my own face

Ah you did not recognise the quote. However, your persistently affronted comments that someone [in this instance an American academic and Christian] has dared to point out the prevalence of negative views among many white American Christians towards their fellow black citizens does give me pause for thought. I detect an element of protesting too much in your replies.

- I had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow or segregation.

Who has accused you of being responsible for any of those things?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

How about the negative views of blacks in your country?

Being Black in Berlin

https://www.handelsblatt.com/english...bIowE7o6qg-ap2

You appear unable to digest these simple facts:

• The article is in an American magazine
• The writer of the article is American
• Robert P Jones is an American academic and [I suspect] a practising Christian
• The book by Jones looks at the history of American white Christiantiy
• Jones' organisation PRRI is invovled with research that explores the changing cultural, religious, and political features of America

Germany [and its myriad social problems] is not the topic of this thread.

[seer]

I quoted you some facts about Falwell's past and his initial "college". That it became Liberty University which then did take black students [in all probability out of fear that it might lose its tax free status] does not alter his previous racist educational policies and his racist outlook.

Good so you agree that you were wrong about Liberty University...

So why even bring it up? I know - another opportunity to slam America!

Ah you did not recognise the quote. However, your persistently affronted comments that someone [in this instance an American academic and Christian] has dared to point out the prevalence of negative views among many white American Christians towards their fellow black citizens does give me pause for thought. I detect an element of protesting too much in your replies.

And you still don't get - the nerve you hit was that of a foreigner attacking my country when they have no moral high ground.

Who has accused you of being responsible for any of those things?

As in your OP - you have been broad brushing all the way through this.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Good so you agree that you were wrong about Liberty University...

Not entirely, Falwell was a racist.

So why even bring it up? I know - another opportunity to slam America!

The quote from Wilde is to do with holding up the mirror and people not liking what they see reflected in it.

And you still don't get - the nerve you hit was that of a foreigner attacking my country when they have no moral high ground.

The New Yorker magazine is an American magazine. Robert P Jones is an American citizen.

In what way do you perceive either as a "foreigner"?

As in your OP - you have been broad brushing all the way through this.

The OP predominantly consisted of quotes taken from the New Yorker article and from Jones' book.

[seer]

[*]The book by Jones looks at the history of American white Christiantiy

There you go broad brushing again. Again Christianity is not monolithic, in the States or anywhere else. Does he include the "white" Christians that died by the thousands to end slavery? In your OP you said this: it is alarming that among many white Christians those underlying racist/supremacist tendencies still exist.

Where? Who? Is it 10%? 90% 1% - broad brushing...

[seer]

Not entirely, Falwell was a racist.

A man can be a racist in his 20s but not in his 50s, people do change. But you were wrong about the University.

The quote from Wilde is to do with holding up the mirror and people not liking what they see reflected in it.

You don't get it, I know my history - you just have no room to talk.

The New Yorker magazine is an American magazine. Robert P Jones is an American citizen.

The New Yorker is a leftist rag, has been for years.

In what way do you perceive either as a "foreigner"?

Jones is a leftist bias hack, you are the foreigner.

The OP predominantly consisted of quotes taken from the New Yorker article and from Jones' book.

Which is not balanced or fair.

[oxmixmudd]

Think what you want, I made my motives clear. Just because you agree with her America bashing...

This is more about racism in the church than it is about america. It's just that the Christian Church "in America" has had a unique means of justifying it by allowing the close association of Christian faith and the countries founding to delude them into thinking American R Christian is a bijection.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

A man can be a racist in his 20s but not in his 50s, people do change. But you were wrong about the University.



You don't get it, I know my history - you just have no room to talk.



The New Yorker is a leftist rag, has been for years.



Jones is a leftist bias hack, you are the foreigner.

A response that suggests [although I may be wrong] irrational prejudice, animus towards anything that does not agree with your views, and a refusal to acknowledge known facts.

I would agree however with your last remark. Your comments were neither balanced nor fair.

[oxmixmudd]

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Jones is a leftist bias hack, you are the foreigner.


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The white nationalist seer claims not to be keeps showing up in his posts ...

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The white nationalist seer claims not to be keeps showing up in his posts ...

"You may think that, I could not possibly comment"!

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I don't think you can actually make that claim with certainty. You really can't know what you would have done, subject to the times, the social circumstances, the way things developed.

I've seen far too many people declare "I would NEVER.....", only to do something totally different when the situation actually arose.

I would never have "supported" the Nazis as in the generally accepted definition of the verb.

[seer]

Your comments were neither balanced nor fair.

Jones is a leftist and biased...