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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey are not there to protect federal property, if they were all they'd need do is stand guard around them. That is not what they are there for, and not what they are doing.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is pure nonsense Jim, it does not violate the Constitution. Where does the Constitution say that Federal police can't protect Federal property? That is just loony tunes..
In his account:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...deral-arrests/
This is unacceptable. And it opens the door to forces commanded by the president assaulting, detaining, and questioning US citizens at his direction. It's yet another step too far.
Notice 'no record of his arrest'. Without that video, they could just deny it every happen, his word against theirs.
Is that what you support now seer? Goverment forces at the direction of the president that can shoot into crowds and leave a peaceful protestor in the hospital for weeks. That can just swoop in and arrest and detain people without cause, without a warrent, without a hard record of the event?Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2020, 12:01 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo, I am going to continue to sound the alarm until you wake from your slumber. Originally, the president did not command military or police forces that had authority to act on us soil. The US army is never meant to be a domestic force. This is to keep the power of the presidency from wielding military or police power against us citizens. That authority is granted to the states and local governments.
This is an end run around that
And you are literally a fool if you think it will end well. You and those arguing in favor of the president apparently are ignorant of the simple fact that this is what authoritarian governments do, and that power in the hands of men corrupts them. How much more so if the man is already corrupt!
This attitude is the attitude of the young and immature who think somehow the lessons of history and wisdom do not apply to them. Only when they find out they in fact do apply, it is often too late.a_flashback_elian_150422.nbcnews-fp-1200-630.jpg
I'm sorry. What was it you were saying?
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSeer - the president is ordering troops into state and local municipalities for his own ends. They are not accountable, they do not announce themselves as you saw in that video, and they are arresting and detaining people without any application of due process or respect for their rights as US citizens. That is not acceptable behavior.
In his account:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...deral-arrests/
This is unacceptable. And it opens the door to forces commanded by the president assaulting, detaining, and questioning US citizens at his direction. It's yet another step too far.
Notice 'no record of his arrest'. Without that video, they could just deny it every happen, his word against theirs.
Is that what you support now seer? Goverment forces at the direction of the president that can shoot into crowds and leave a peaceful protestor in the hospital for weeks. That can just swoop in and arrest and detain people without cause, without a warrent, without a hard record of the event?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]46879[/ATTACH]
I'm sorry. What was it you were saying?
You kind of buried yourself there Rogue. It was bad then and it's even WORSE today. And if YOU are against the Elian Gonzalez raid, what the heck are you doing here supporting the President's actions?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey are not there to protect federal property, if they were all they'd need do is stand guard around them. That is not what they are there for, and not what they are doing.
If you want the law changed, the advocacy is the way to go. Or make sure Joe gets elected maybe. Either way, tell your people to stop the violence, obey the law, and do it the only way it can be done, change the law.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View PostThe Feds can do more than that, by law. Any number of agencies, including DHS, can swoop in and arrest Domestic Terrorists with immunity.
If you want the law changed, the advocacy is the way to go. Or make sure Joe gets elected maybe. Either way, tell your people to stop the violence, obey the law, and do it the only way it can be done, change the law.
Unruly protestors are NOT terrorists, and they ARE (at least mostly) US citizens with a right to free speech. The fellow in the video is a peaceful protester. He had committed no crimes, let alone a terrorist act! Likewise the fellow shot in the head and laid up in a hospital recovering with his jaw wired shut.
If they are vandalizing property, then they are CRIMINALS, and still subject to due process. Terrorist is a whole different ball game than a criminal act during a protest. That (usually) involves weapons of mass destruction bombs, poison gasses, biological agents or other large scale threats against society as a whole designed to induce fear. Just spraying graffiti on a wall does not a terrorist make. Breaking windows doesn't either. And in fact, neither does setting fires. Those are all crimes, not terrorist acts in and of themselves. And the people committing them are still entitled to due process.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-20-2020, 12:53 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostReplace some of the words [Police and cops] and I daresay the British in the 1770s thought very much as you do!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHow is the individual officer identified?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou are going to continue to intentionally misrepresent things because you just can't help yourself.
It is his absolute obsession with hatred of Trump through which he sees all of this that has caused him to build this case on absolute falsehoods.
He cannot POSSIBLY back down now.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's a pretty ignorant question, actually."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow very quaint."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIt was a genuine question.
Does the uniform of each officer show that individual's unique ID number?
There is a war on police in America, as the "peaceful protesters" in Portland so clearly state with their fine art. Kill all Cops, F- the police....
There are ambushes on police who are not even engaged in 'battle', but may be just sitting in their patrol car.
So, in riot situations, raids, and dynamic responses, no, it is not normal for an officer to have his name on his uniform or a number on his badge or shield.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWherein lies the difference? The legal authority was being challenged by mobs looting, vandalising, and threatening government officials and buildings?
The very fact that the loony left insists on calling these anarchists "peaceful protesters" blows the British ships and their tea out of the water.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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