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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNo, it means that the chances of spreading it are reduced -significantly.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's not what it says. It says that ordinary cloth masks MAY protect others, which is the equivalent of saying that they MAY NOT protect others. Claiming that they "significantly" reduce the spread of the China flu is misinformation.
The language here is clearly simply making sure it is understood that masks are not a guaranteed protection, but rather offer imperfect protection. If they didn't write it that way people would be suing them right and left. It reduces the probability of transmission, but it can't prevent transmission.
This distinction is not something you will ever acknowledge, but others reading may grasp it.
To put a little more objective quantification on what they can do:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...covid-19-67646
They help, they reduce the number of droplets that are put into the air around a person. From the same article:
The fact that is a model will also cause the anti-maskers here to balk. But nevertheless, the point is large portions of the population wearing masks in places where social distancing is not possible or limited helps reduce the spread. And that, of course, is the point. It's a simple thing to do, and it actually helps. To save 33,000 deaths, at a 4% death/diagnosed (the current US ratio) almost 825,000 diagnosed cases of transmission would have to have been stopped.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-14-2020, 02:57 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOriginally posted by Whateverman View PostOriginally posted by Mountain Man View PostOrdinary cloth masks are worthless for keeping viruses at bay. Hold an ordinary piece of cloth over your mouth and exhale. You feel that warm, moist air? You feel the air escaping around the sides and fogging up your glasses?
Yeah...
Keep up the propaganda, komrade!
ps. put a gas mask over your head, put your hand up to the filter, and breathe. You feel that warm, moist air?
Yeah...
Just like a cloth/fiber mask, the presence of "warm moist air" doesn't imply anything about its effectiveness.Last edited by Whateverman; 07-14-2020, 04:00 PM.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostA gas mask is meant to keep particals out, not keep your breath in, you dummy.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually a 'gas' mask can come with different filters to filter out 'various gases' with also particulate filters. They are tight sealing on the face and only source of air is through the filters.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post...They are tight sealing on the face and only source of air is through the filters.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post"Particles"
Just like a cloth/fiber mask, the presence of "warm moist air" doesn't imply anything about its effectiveness.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostHere is the entire quote:
The language here is clearly simply making sure it is understood that masks are not a guaranteed protection, but rather offer imperfect protection. If they didn't write it that way people would be suing them right and left. It reduces the probability of transmission, but it can't prevent transmission.
This distinction is not something you will ever acknowledge, but others reading may grasp it.
To put a little more objective quantification on what they can do:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...covid-19-67646
They help, they reduce the number of droplets that are put into the air around a person. From the same article:
The fact that is a model will also cause the anti-maskers here to balk. But nevertheless, the point is large portions of the population wearing masks in places where social distancing is not possible or limited helps reduce the spread. And that, of course, is the point. It's a simple thing to do, and it actually helps. To save 33,000 deaths, at a 4% death/diagnosed (the current US ratio) almost 825,000 diagnosed cases of transmission would have to have been stopped.
The fact is that simply walking past someone in a grocery store is one of the least likely ways of catching the Wuhan virus. The virus drops to the ground literally within seconds after being exhaled -- that's where the magic "six feet" measurement came from, because the time it takes the average person to traverse six feet is longer than it takes for the Wuhan virus to fall to the ground -- and your chances of walking through a cloud of China flu particles at the exact perfect moment to inhale enough of the critters actually infect you is probably about the same as winning the Powerball. Lengthy face to face interaction with an infected person? Sure, a mask will more likely than not offer some benefit, but casual interaction with the public? If you think that's too risky then you're probably one of those people who greatly overestimates his chances of winning the lottery.
(As an aside, I will never understand why people who preach "science" are so in love models when models are not science. A model is nothing more than a hypothesis. Science is about what has actually been proven with repeated observation and testing. So when someone says "science" but they really mean "models" then they're just trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.)Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhich, of course, is why firefighters are traditionally not allowed to have facial hair that would compromise the seal.
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostMM,
I'm just curious to know why, if masks don't work, you believe that so many other countries have concluded that they do work?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI never said "masks don't work". They do offer some benefit in controlled situations like at a hospital. They offer little if any benefit walking through a grocery store. So why are states and even whole countries mandating masks? Because it's a visible sign to the people that the government is doing something even if that "something" is largely an empty gesture.
I just don't get why you want to die on this hill of all hills.
When you look at the United States why don't you rapidly conclude that every aspect of our response is automatically suspect until proven *right*?
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostHow do you account for so many countries which made use of masks doing so much better than those which did not strongly push for mask usage? As you are aware my wife is from Hong Kong and they make heavy use of masks and have suffering so much less than the USA despite having so much higher population density and use of public transportation. The Czech Republic took the HK approach and also greatly minimized their COVID impact.
I just don't get why you want to die on this hill of all hills.
When you look at the United States why don't you rapidly conclude that every aspect of our response is automatically suspect until proven *right*?
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