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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostEeyore just never could be happy. Maybe you can find something else to make you happy when the coronaphobia season is over.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMike - I'm going to take resorting to this sort of complaining and ad hom as a concession to the fact you've lost the scientific debate with me and move on.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDepends on the type of mask and if it is properly used. The overwhelming majority of masks in use in the public are the wrong type and won't do a thing to protect you or anybody else from the China flu, and the overwhelming majority of people who wear a mask do so in such a way that it confers zero benefits to the wearer anyway (leaving one's nose uncovered, touching the mask, removing the mask to talk on the phone, reusing the same mask throughout the day or over multiple days, etc.).
So, no, wearing a mask is in no way analogous to wearing a seat belt which is effectively foolproof to use and has been proven through decades of rigorous repeated testing.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat graph doesn't tell the story. In fact, it is not what you say it is. It is the recovery RATE and the death RATE (currently 7.85%*), not the raw count, or even the daily count, nor does it show the daily trend.
This one, however, does: (same source - worldometers)
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There does seem to have been a hiccup from the boneheaded switch in reporting destinations, in that the peak has typically been Tuesday for a given week, but this week Wednesday was higher than Tuesday. But BOTH where higher than the week previous, which was higher than the week previous to that.
The highest (1001) number of deaths since June 9 in fact.
The bottom line is that deaths are rising, just delayed relative to the rise in cases, as expected.
I am concerned about the shift to a non-public database for housing the data. The administration is not above massaging the data for their own purposes. They should have left the system alone and let the CDC continue to be the primary reporting destination where doctors and scientists make the data public for other researchers and are not subject to the political goals of the current administration.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostThey must be rising in concentrated areas again where facilities are overburdened. Because the reports I've read indicate treatments are better across the board; fewer ventilators are required now versus the first wave.
Why coronavirus deaths remain low in the US despite surge in new cases
Advances in a number of treatments appears to have contained the death rate as records continue to be broken for new infections
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Originally posted by Ronson View Posthttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ew-cases-soar/
Why coronavirus deaths remain low in the US despite surge in new cases
Advances in a number of treatments appears to have contained the death rate as records continue to be broken for new infections
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThere is no doubt treatment has improved and can be credited with helping reduce overall death rates. The point is that with record surges in cases cause by unconstrained spread, the daily death count (not rate) will go up. That means more people will be dying. Right now its heading to 1000/day. Current mortality for cases with outcome rate for diagnosed patients is a bit less that 8%, but even if that gets cut to 4% or even 3%, with better treatment, that would mean with 70000 new cases /day, we are going to see 2100 deaths/day in about 3 to 4 weeks.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYour latest graph shows the rise leveling off.
993+891+961 vs 936+1002+963 or a net rise of 2845 -> 2901. Not a huge amount, but still a rise. The 7 day average rose from 741 to 761 week to week.
The part that concerns me the most is the change in reporting destination and the removal of public access to the data. It will be important to test individual state reporting websites against the federal numbers going forward. Of course, we already know Florida was fudging their data:
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...te/5212398002/
The clear danger here is that with Trump flailing in the polls and the coronavirus response of the admin being so poor, they and his state level minions will be tempted to change reporting in ways that make things look better - as we saw in Florida. Without public access to the data, it will be easier to do that.
Fortunately, worldometers at least gathers their data from state level websites.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-17-2020, 09:53 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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A report produced for the White House Coronavirus Task Force recommends that eighteen states should roll back their reopening measures because infection rates are increasing. The states are:
Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
California
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
Nevada
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
In the above list, states which went Republican in 2016 are in red and states which went Democrat are in blue. It is interesting that there seems to be a strong correlation between a state's inability to get the coronavirus pandemic under control and support for Donald Trump."My favorite color in the alphabet is three." - Donald J. Trump
"The 'J' in my middle name stands for 'Jenius'" - Donald J. Trump
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Originally posted by Reepicheep View PostIn the above list, states which went Republican in 2016 are in red and states which went Democrat are in blue. It is interesting that there seems to be a strong correlation between a state's inability to get the coronavirus pandemic under control and support for Donald Trump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Reepicheep View PostA report produced for the White House Coronavirus Task Force recommends that eighteen states should roll back their reopening measures because infection rates are increasing. The states are:
Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
California
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
Nevada
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
In the above list, states which went Republican in 2016 are in red and states which went Democrat are in blue. It is interesting that there seems to be a strong correlation between a state's inability to get the coronavirus pandemic under control and support for Donald Trump.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWe have to remember that this just means that they are testing a lot more people and that the tests "indicate" a positive result. We also have places in Florida, for example, where all the test results were positive. This means that fraud can be involved. The number of "cases" is an big unscientific number with very little value.
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Originally posted by little_monkey View PostThe data shows otherwise. In one hospital using no mask had two and half times more cases among the staff than in another hospitable which rigorously used a mask among its staff. The data is indisputable - it has no respect for your opinion based on thin air.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineOb View PostThat's why I think we should focus on hospitalizations. That is a totally unambiguous datapoint and one which is impossible to artificially inflate. The hospitalization data is grim.
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