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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHow were those rights won? Were they generously granted simply because they were politely requested?
Not in recent history on quite the same scale. No one is denying that, at least since recorded history, humans have engaged in warfare with other human groups.
You might do well to read up on some primatology and palaeontology as well as some social anthropology.
That is a sweeping assumption premised on an unknown.
Once again, on what evidence? How do you explain the connection between DNA and certain human cultural behaviours?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostIf true, it's better than the "moral ground" the Christian starts from, which allowed support of the persecution of Jews atheists African Americans and women, slavery, and the holocaust.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCan you tell me which teachings of Christ they were following? Be specific..."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWell the persecution of the Jews goes back to verses found in the NT which contain distinct anti-Judaic/Semitic elements.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOriginally posted by Whateverman View PostOriginally posted by seer View Postthe atheist has no moral ground to judge any of this.
Slavery: Ephesians 6:5-8, Genesis IX:18-27, Genesis 1:26-31 (re. mud people)
Misogyny: Leviticus 12:2-5, Leviticus 15:19-27, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Deuteronomy 22:5, Deuteronomy 22:23-29, Deuteronomy 23:17, Proverbs 5:3-8, Proverbs 5:20, Proverbs 6:24-26
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Having been specific, you'll generally hand-wave these away.
The atheist's moral ground is better than the Christian's, in that it lacks divine justification for persecution.Last edited by Whateverman; 07-08-2020, 08:31 AM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAll the first Christians were Jews, Jesus was a Jew."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell in the US it caused a Civil war, and yes there were protests for the women's vote, black voting rights, etc... But those protesters were largely peaceful.
In the USA the decades between the Civil War and World War I were a period of labour unrest for both male and female workers.. Women achieved some working rights through activism and political struggle including the withdrawal of labour. Between the 1870s and early 1900s there were over 6000 strikes with particular activism among the New York and Chicago garment workers and the New England mills.
In the 1890s in the south politicians disfranchised poor white men though poll taxes and used violence to prevent Black American men from voting.
Originally posted by seer View PostThere is still no rational reason to to go after white males alone - that to my mind is racist.
Unfortunately, the fact remains that within later western culture Imperialism along with notions of racial superiority originated in the thinking of predominantly white men and were often premised on religious texts and/or teachings.
Originally posted by seer View PostWell I did pass Anthropology 101 and 102 with Bs back in 74-75. The point is nothing escapes our evolutionary upbringing (unless you believe in a soul).
Originally posted by seer View PostShould we have thrown down our fire arms and picked up spears? That is just silly.
Originally posted by seer View PostAs Dawkins says: "DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.""It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPrecisely. The early Americans exercised a form of Imperialism. Colonists and settlers with vastly superior military technology moved into new territories, took them over either by massacring the indigenous peoples, driving them out, or reducing them to a subservient position.
The Europeans also did it across regions of the world. However, most modern European nations feel a sense of shame at the behaviour of their predecessors.
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Originally posted by Maranatha View PostI am certain the leftist status will remain intact.
If these people were serious, :), they would come up with a chart, telling everyone who owns what, so we know where to move. Who knows, I may get a better house out of it in my new European country.
I would suspect that all black lives would move to Africa, most Hispanics would move back to Spain, and whites will go wherever they are supposed to go.
Those who are biracial will need to cut themselves up and deliver themselves appropriately. I guess it will be better to be a pure bred.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostSo you said we didn't steal land from native Americans. You were wrong.
Sure, they weren't all singing Kumbaya when we arrived, but that doesn't change the fact that we stole land from them, and then used the government to do the same thing legally.
So, rather than pretend no land was stolen, now you're demanding a solution to a complicated land dispute. Fun.[/COLOR]
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYet the four canonical passion narratives make it quite clear that it was the Jews who plotted to kill Jesus and that it was the Jews who demanded his death."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostChrist-killers / antisemitism: Matthew 27:25, John 8:44, 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Slavery: Ephesians 6:5-8, Genesis IX:18-27, Genesis 1:26-31 (re. mud people)
Misogyny: Leviticus 12:2-5, Leviticus 15:19-27, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Deuteronomy 22:5, Deuteronomy 22:23-29, Deuteronomy 23:17, Proverbs 5:3-8, Proverbs 5:20, Proverbs 6:24-26
The atheist's moral ground is better than the Christian's, in that it lacks divine justification for persecution.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah I agree with that. We made treaties with them, then broke them. That was not honorable.
Land disputes are never easy to solve, but if I had my wish, it'd be that the US would immediately revert whatever they legally stole back to native Americans. I know this isn't possible in a practical sense, but it seems to be the closest thing to actual "justice" I can think of in this context.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYou really do need to read up on your own history.
In the USA the decades between the Civil War and World War I were a period of labour unrest for both male and female workers.. Women achieved some working rights through activism and political struggle including the withdrawal of labour. Between the 1870s and early 1900s there were over 6000 strikes with particular activism among the New York and Chicago garment workers and the New England mills.
In the 1890s in the south politicians disfranchised poor white men though poll taxes and used violence to prevent Black American men from voting.
Ah now we see your animus.
Unfortunately, the fact remains that within later western culture Imperialism along with notions of racial superiority originated in the thinking of predominantly white men and were often premised on religious texts and/or teachings.
Your early studies do not seem to have left a lasting impression. You are confusing culture and evolution.
That was not my point.
If everything we think do or say is not driven by genetics what else is there?Last edited by seer; 07-08-2020, 09:41 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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