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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostDenmark agrees, and has made no bones about that. That was a mistake, our fault. When Trump asked the danish ambassador whether he could buy Greenland from us that put us in a very embarrassing spot. Greenland is slowly getting their autonomy, and we give them a lot of services during this long transition.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI had read that the name "Greenland" was a marketing ploy invented by Eric the Red to attract immigration.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIs it also true that the Danes had drinking contests to see who could come up with the longest names of cities?
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostConquoring is stealing. It all moral discussions of war, war of conquest, is almost universally considered immoral. If what the settlers did should be considered conquest then the action is pretty much entirely indefensible and should be viewed as a tragic evil which nevertheless happened. Might does not make right.
Some do, however even if you don't that is not hypocritical. It is not wrong at all to point out that great evils occurred in the past, without offering an action to rectify it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThe wealth of the North and the South was built on slaves, they helped build the industrial backbone, and they worked as the cheapest of labor. This is not much different from Europe which also grew wealthy on slave trade, Denmark is no different in that regard. This wealth gave certain countries an edge economically, and allowed them to reach the industrial age faster. After that it is true that slaves disappear as a substantial amount of the income, they had also been prohibited almost universally by that time.
For instance in New England:
Exactly. You tend to attack moral foundations of a person, instead of their argument. However I am a Christian like you. So if you want to justify your arguments you'll have to examine the morality of it. When it comes to God you and I both believe in Him and consider him the source of truth and goodness, and the be all and end all, and the one who sets what is right and wrong.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostMy point is that this was common practice, practiced by most peoples and tribes. Even native Americans again each other. But my objection is about our European ancestors being singled out. And that I, in this day and age, am somehow responsible.
Do they point out the wrongs Indians did to other Indians? Like the Iroquois wiping out pretty much the entire Huron peoples and taking their lands?
This story differs from that somewhat.
https://www.livescience.com/are-colu...aims-true.html
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWho is Drumpf?
On my father's side, the family name was "Corea" (Portuguese). My father had it changed in the 1930s because Yankees had trouble pronouncing it.
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, and we in the West are doing much better.
Originally posted by seer View PostNope, and neither did women or blacks. But they all do now...
Originally posted by seer View PostBut that is a fact,
Originally posted by seer View Post... I mean do we get upset when one tribe of chimps slaughter and take the territory of another tribe of chimps.
Nor does one troupe of chimps use guns and artillery against another troupe armed only with spears and bows and arrows.
The evolutionary process has no relevance to this exchange. Attitudes that one group/race is superior to another is a cultural behaviour. We cannot know how our earliest human ancestors viewed other groups with which they came into contact because they have left no written sources. Our entire knowledge of those ancient human being is premised on palaeontology.
The earliest evidence of organised warfare comes from Sumer, and ancient although that civilisation undoubtedly is, it is still comparatively recent in terms of human evolution."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHow do you define "we in the West are doing much better"?
That they were initially prevented from being regarded as citizens makes my point. The Belgians did not permit Africans in the Congo to have a role in citizenship either. Nor did the British in India. One cannot imagine that in the 1880s, an Indian would have been permitted to stand as an MP for election to the British Parliament.
That they are historical facts does not imply we should excuse [or applaud] such behaviours.
I do hope you are not attempting to equate Native Americans or Africans with chimps.
Nor does one troupe of chimps use guns and artillery against another troupe armed only with spears and bows and arrows.
The evolutionary process has no relevance to this exchange. Attitudes that one group/race is superior to another is a cultural behaviour. We cannot know how our earliest human ancestors viewed other groups with which they came into contact because they have left no written sources. Our entire knowledge of those ancient human being is premised on palaeontology.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBetter as in applying rights to all people, blacks, women have the vote, we ended Jim Crow, etc...
And that is no longer the case, which is my point.
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I'm not excusing anything, but we seem to have selective outrage - we are eager to point to the sins of whites when just about every other ethnic group and tribe did the same things.
Originally posted by seer View PostNo I equate chimps to human beings, being a close cousin.
Originally posted by seer View PostIf you are an atheist what humans do to humans is just all part of the evolutionary process.
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So? Any group would take advantage if it could.
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It absolutely does, the atheist has no moral ground to judge any of this. And we don't have to know what our ancestors did or not we know what we do and tribalism in deep in our DNA, just as it is in the DNA of our cousins the chimps."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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