An NYT article that is actually worth reading. It gives some perspective to the whole mess. (sorry about posting the whole thing, but it would otherwise be behind a paywall)
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It's pretty simple logic. Last week, Trump was planning to pull out half the troops via successful peace talks with the Taliban, then all of a sudden the story about Russian bounties breaks the new headlines.
Cui bono? Russia -- who wants US troops that are less than 2,000 kilometers from their border to leave? US military industrial complex -- that for some reason wants US troops to stay forever?
It's just simple logic.
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I don't think this adds any useful context to the scandal here in the US.
No one doubts that the US is covertly wounding Russia (election interference, hacking, economic sanctions, providing support to anti-Russian forces, etc). Of course Russia wants payback.
That doesn't change or otherwise impact the fact of the so-called commander-in-chief's apparent dereliction of duty.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostI don't think this adds any useful context to the scandal here in the US.
No one doubts that the US is covertly wounding Russia (election interference, hacking, economic sanctions, providing support to anti-Russian forces, etc). Of course Russia wants payback.
That doesn't change or otherwise impact the fact of the so-called commander-in-chief's apparent dereliction of duty.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostI don't think this adds any useful context to the scandal here in the US.
No one doubts that the US is covertly wounding Russia (election interference, hacking, economic sanctions, providing support to anti-Russian forces, etc). Of course Russia wants payback.
That doesn't change or otherwise impact the fact of the so-called commander-in-chief's apparent dereliction of duty.
This is just a companion article to the other thread, which has gotten huge and dominated by a troll. I think this does give some perspective on the broader situation.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIt's pretty simple logic. Last week, Trump was planning to pull out half the troops via successful peace talks with the Taliban, then all of a sudden the story about Russian bounties breaks the new headlines.
Cui bono? Russia -- who wants US troops that are less than 2,000 kilometers from their border to leave? US military industrial complex -- that for some reason wants US troops to stay forever?
It's just simple logic.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostThat explains NYT's motivations, or at least the leakers.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post"so-called". That's a giveaway. No more "Drumpf"?
Originally posted by Ronson View PostThis is just a companion article to the other thread, which has gotten huge and dominated by a troll. I think this does give some perspective on the broader situation.
Not gonna argue about it, though. If you think that's useful context/information, then so be it.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIsn't it funny how none of the intelligence has been solidified by anyone (in spite of the fact both political sides are using it as a political football against each other). I mean, this looks more like a disruption of the Taliban peace process by US intelligence sources that don't want troops to leave than I've ever seen. The timing of it speaks for itself.
So yes, when looking for motivations the lens is clearer. Does Russia want U.S. troops active in a region it feels is in its sphere of influence? No. Does Russia want fighting going on next to the Muslim former-Soviet countries? Where it can spill over into those territories? No. Imagine if Muslim revolts started taking place in Kazakhstan. So it runs opposite of their security concerns to prolong the fighting in Afghanistan.
But there is a strong warmongering "military industrial complex" in the U.S that people like John Bolton, Hillary and Lindsey Graham embrace.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostIMO, the bounties never happened. I don't dispute Russia funneling money to the Taliban - and they openly admit that much - and the Taliban admit that much. But both deny the bounties (in fact, Taliban spokesmen sounded angry about the allegation).
So yes, when looking for motivations the lens is clearer. Does Russia want U.S. troops active in a region it feels is in its sphere of influence? No. Does Russia want fighting going on next to the Muslim former-Soviet countries? Where it can spill over into those territories? No. Imagine if Muslim revolts started taking place in Kazakhstan. So it runs opposite of their security concerns to prolong the fighting in Afghanistan.
But there is a strong warmongering "military industrial complex" in the U.S that people like John Bolton, Hillary and Lindsey Graham embrace.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAnd sad thing is, now if Trump wants to pull troops out of a country, just because it's Trump, liberals do MIC's bidding of opposing it. Talk about useful idiots.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostIMO, the bounties never happened. ....
It's kinda like "they're gonna kill our troops" but the bounties make them kill our troops deader?
I think the liberals are REALLY underestimating our guys in the field - "heads on a swivel".
ETA: The only difference between the bounties we pay and the bounties others may pay against us - we call ours "rewards".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's kinda like "they're gonna kill our troops" but the bounties make them kill our troops deader?
Warned them about what, that somebody in a war zone might try to kill? I think they might already know that.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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