The Washington Redskins May Finally Change Their Name

[whag]

FIFY n/c

As I demonstrated in post #69, historically these names were selected to honor Native Americans and that traditionally Native Americans have been among the fiercest opponents to changing their names. No wonder 90% of them don't get upset about the name.

But white leftist like whag believe that Native Americans just must not be bright enough to respond correctly. That is, how he tells them that they should react. So folks like whag have taken it on themselves to do it for them since it's for their own good.

Talk about being racist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash...me_controversy

Again, rogue is a Christian going apoplectic on the name change of a sports team. A sports team.

[whag]

Anit-Irish sentiment is a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment

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[Mountain Man]

So you don't care about the oppression of Irish people?

Racist.

[whag]

So you don't care about the oppression of Irish people?

Racist.

[Mountain Man]

[whag]

Look how shocked I am that an anti-evo creationist just quote mined me.

[rogue06]

The Cromwellian conquest of Ireland has rightly been likened to genocide in that it killed off something like a third of the population.

As David Norbrook, Emeritus Fellow of Merton College, Oxford who specializes in literature, politics and historiography in the early modern period, put it in his :

"He (Cromwell) laid the foundation for a ruthless programme of resettling the Irish Catholics which amounted to large scale ethnic cleansing".

Or as Frances Stewart, professor emeritus of development economics and director of the Centre for Research on Inequality, Human Security and Ethnicity (CRISE), University of Oxford, wrote in her War and Underdevelopment: Economic and Social Consequences of Conflict v. 1:

"Faced with the prospect of an Irish alliance with Charles II, Cromwell carried out a series of massacres to subdue the Irish. Then, once Cromwell had returned to England, the English Commissary, General Henry Ireton, adopted a deliberate policy of crop burning and starvation, which was responsible for the majority of an estimated 600,000 deaths out of a total Irish population of 1,400,000."

Global Terrorism:

"The draconian laws applied by Oliver Cromwell in Ireland were an early version of ethnic cleansing."

There are a number of other examples that I could cite.

The treatment of the Irish by the English was a major motivating factor in the American colonies decision to rebel in that they were worried that we were next.

And the English's reaction to the Potato Famine in the 19th cent. (which led to the massive migration to the U.S.) is yet another example, one in which Charles Rice, professor emeritus of Law at Notre Dame described thusly:



And when they reached the U.S., they were anything but welcome. "Irish Need Not Apply" signs advertising employment opportunities were not uncommon.

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Awhile back PBS had a series on the immigration of Irish to the U.S. and the blatant discrimination they faced. The part I remember the best was a discussion about the digging of a canal near Washington D.C. and how slave-owners refused to hire out their slaves for the job because the causality rate was way too high and slaves were valuable. So they came up with the idea of hiring the Irish because they figured nobody would care how many of them would die.

[whag]

The Cromwellian conquest of Ireland has rightly been likened to genocide in that it killed off something like a third of the population.

As David Norbrook, Emeritus Fellow of Merton College, Oxford who specializes in literature, politics and historiography in the early modern period, put it in his :

"He (Cromwell) laid the foundation for a ruthless programme of resettling the Irish Catholics which amounted to large scale ethnic cleansing".

Or as Frances Stewart, professor emeritus of development economics and director of the Centre for Research on Inequality, Human Security and Ethnicity (CRISE), University of Oxford, wrote in her War and Underdevelopment: Economic and Social Consequences of Conflict v. 1:

"Faced with the prospect of an Irish alliance with Charles II, Cromwell carried out a series of massacres to subdue the Irish. Then, once Cromwell had returned to England, the English Commissary, General Henry Ireton, adopted a deliberate policy of crop burning and starvation, which was responsible for the majority of an estimated 600,000 deaths out of a total Irish population of 1,400,000."

Global Terrorism:

"The draconian laws applied by Oliver Cromwell in Ireland were an early version of ethnic cleansing."

There are a number of other examples that I could cite.

The treatment of the Irish by the English was a major motivating factor in the American colonies decision to rebel in that they were worried that we were next.

And the English's reaction to the Potato Famine in the 19th cent. (which led to the massive migration to the U.S.) is yet another example, one in which Charles Rice, professor emeritus of Law at Notre Dame described thusly:



And when they reached the U.S., they were anything but welcome. "Irish Need Not Apply" signs advertising employment opportunities were not uncommon.

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Awhile back PBS had a series on the immigration of Irish to the U.S. and the blatant discrimination they faced. The part I remember the best was a discussion about the digging of a canal near Washington D.C. and how slave-owners refused to hire out their slaves for the job because the causality rate was way too high and slaves were valuable. So they came up with the idea of hiring the Irish because they figured nobody would care how many of them would die.

[rogue06]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash...me_controversy

Again, rogue is a Christian going apoplectic on the name change of a sports team. A sports team.

^[1]) along with several Native Americans on the team.




1. If so this sort of deception seems to be something of a tradition among folks who have moved to Massachusetts.

[rogue06]

This is your petulant childish way of admitting that once again you face planted when you claimed



The fact is they faced genocide not once but twice and those that left Ireland for the U.S. were treated worse than those held in slavery being regarded as worthless and completely disposable.

[whag]

This is your petulant childish way of admitting that once again you face planted when you claimed



The fact is they faced genocide not once but twice and those that left Ireland for the U.S. were treated worse than those held in slavery being regarded as worthless and completely disposable.

[KingsGambit]

Point of correction: The Chiefs are not named after a real Native American tribe. The name honors former mayor H. Roe Bartle, who was a Chief in the Tribe of Mic-O-Say, which is basically a cosplay version of an Indian Tribe at the Bartle Scout Reservation in Missouri (something I was inducted into a long time ago).

[Leonhard]

I think, rather, it's concern about caving in to the unreasonable demands of "cancel culture".

Quote marks is correct. This is not cancel culture. A lot of these terms are getting stretch marks from being applied to things way beyond their scope.

[Whateverman]

A classic (politically) conservative trait is preference for tradition, and resistance to change.

Clinging is what they do.

ps. no, not all conservatives are like this. The loudest most definitely are, though.

[Terraceth]

People of Irish decent aren't freaking out over Notre Dame calling their team the Fighting Irish which plays on the stereotype of Irish being belligerent and ready to brawl over virtually anything.

In my view, a rather important difference between that and the teams named after Native American concepts is that Notre Dame, who picked the name, was heavily Irish.