The real reason mobs across the country are tearing down American monuments

[seer]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I just interpret it like Lenin and Mao did...

Marxism-Leninism is an adaptation of Marxism developed by Vladimir Lenin, which led to the first successful communist revolution in Lenin's Russia in November 1917. As such, it formed the ideological foundation for the world communist movement centering on the Soviet Union. In the twentieth century, all nations calling themselves communist and communist parties in other nations were founded on Marxist-Leninist principles.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org...rxism-Leninism

[seer]

Why it might be time to finally replace 'The Star-Spangled Banner' with a new national anthem




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[Whateverman]

Spoken like a true Marxist...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I just interpret it like Lenin and Mao did...

No you don't.

You interpret it to be an insult good for labeling people whose politics you dislike - despite the fact that those politics are almost completely devoid of economic policy.

Call them communists if you like; it'll still be wrong, but it'll be less wrong than "Marxist"

ps. I have no illusions that my post will do anything to change your behavior. Your misuse of the term has been corrected before - by several people, including me - yet you persist almost as if you don't care what anyone else says.

[seer]

No you don't.

You interpret it to be an insult good for labeling people whose politics you dislike - despite the fact that those politics are almost completely devoid of economic policy.

Call them communists if you like; it'll still be wrong, but it'll be less wrong than "Marxist"

ps. I have no illusions that my post will do anything to change your behavior. Your misuse of the term has been corrected before - by several people, including me - yet you persist almost as if you don't care what anyone else says.

Ok, when BLM call themselves Marxist what do you think they mean?

[Reepicheep]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Starlight]

I find most serious liberals don't know much about it to begin with.

I'm not personally convinced that 'cancel culture' exists in any meaningful way. There seems to be 100x more talk about 'cancel culture' than there exists any culture of cancellation. I've never encountered any advocates of it.

Again, why is it that Marxism always seems to turn into totalitarian Communism? Because Marxism as a theory is unworkable without top down control?

Seer, please go back and read my post about the two MAJORLY DIFFERENT BRANCHES of Marxism. The branch you describe here, Marxism-Leninism, has almost no connection with, and was opposed by, the Democratic socialists who were the Marxists in the West.

[Starlight]

Marxism-Leninism is an adaptation of Marxism developed by Vladimir Lenin... As such, it formed the ideological foundation for the world communist movement

Seer, that's the key part. Lenin pulled out of his rear end a whole toilet-load of new ideas that had almost nothing whatsoever to do with anything Karl Marx had written. "Marxism" in the sense of what Marx advocated, has almost nothing to do with "Leninism" in the sense of what Lenin advocated. The communism you are familiar with all comes from Leninism, not Marx. Those in the West who actually followed Marx's ideas (commonly known as Democratic Socialists) tend to think as little of communism as you do.

[mikewhitney]

Seer, that's the key part. Lenin pulled out of his rear end a whole toilet-load of new ideas that had almost nothing whatsoever to do with anything Karl Marx had written. "Marxism" in the sense of what Marx advocated, has almost nothing to do with "Leninism" in the sense of what Lenin advocated. The communism you are familiar with all comes from Leninism, not Marx. Those in the West who actually followed Marx's ideas (commonly known as Democratic Socialists) tend to think as little of communism as you do.

Apart from the problems of Marxism and socialism in general, the BLM leader was trained in Marxist tatics. The demonstration of the tactics is to create chaos in the community, to stir up riots. The attempt is to destabilize the country in order to have some other group take control of the country. This is what has been mostly feared by Americans for 50 or so years and this is what is being attempted now. Then the Democratic governors are supporting this too.

There certainly are people that we could call soft Marxists who only wish to push unconstitutional changes into our form of government. These guys are not particularly trying to destroy the nation, even if this is the result.

[RumTumTugger]

Tim Pool is not alt-right.

It's the off-the-rails NEW leftist that call him that because he's actually a sensible leftist, which I still fervently disagree with politically. Though he did say he finally was thinking of buying a gun as a result of the political and social atmosphere, so maybe that's what the off-the-rails left does to a person.

Not only a sensible leftist but a Journalist with Integrity unlike the so called journalists of CNN, MSNBC, NYT et. and he isn't just thinking of getting one he will have one as soon as he has jumped through all the hoops New Jersey to get his has him going through to get his license to own and carry it, Steven Crowder is gifting him one.

[Leonhard]

Not only a sensible leftist but a Journalist with Integrity unlike the so called journalists of CNN, MSNBC, NYT et. and he isn't just thinking of getting one he will have one as soon as he has jumped through all the hoops New Jersey to get his has him going through to get his license to own and carry it, Steven Crowder is gifting him one.

I'm just going by my first hand impression of him. I peeked through ten videos, and it just reeked of another Sargon of Akkad. Basically a right-wing shill who 99.9% of the time criticizes the left and then now and again reassured the viewer "I'm a leftist" but never raises a single leftist talking point. If you can find me a video where he does focus on a leftist talking point in a supporting manner I'm all ears. Then I'm willing to consider him to be some sort of nebulous centrist leaning towards the right. Until then I think this is pretty much just another right-winger, talking mainly to a right-wing fan base.

[Starlight]

Apart from the problems of Marxism and socialism in general, the BLM leader was trained in Marxist tactics.

Not a thing.

[Starlight]

I'm just going by my first hand impression of him. I peeked through ten videos, and it just reeked of another Sargon of Akkad. Basically a right-wing shill who 99.9% of the time criticizes the left and then now and again reassured the viewer "I'm a leftist" but never raises a single leftist talking point. If you can find me a video where he does focus on a leftist talking point in a supporting manner I'm all ears. Then I'm willing to consider him to be some sort of nebulous centrist leaning towards the right. Until then I think this is pretty much just another right-winger, talking mainly to a right-wing fan base.

It was amusing that Sargon saw himself as a centrist when his views were so obviously extreme right-wing to any watching his clips. His ill-fated political run with UKIP kinda outed him on that front.

Wikipedia seems to agree with your assessment of Tim Pool as being much same... a right winger who pretends to be leftist but isn't. Wiki:

Pool's political commentary has been... described as right-wing.[34]... According to Politico, Pool's "views on issues including social media bias and immigration often align with conservatives'".[35] ... He has described himself as a social liberal who supported Bernie Sanders in 2016.

Maybe a lot of these right-wingers think they can get more views if they pretend to be somewhat liberal, and think their extreme right-wing views somehow won't be blindingly obvious to viewers?

[seer]

Seer, please go back and read my post about the two MAJORLY DIFFERENT BRANCHES of Marxism. The branch you describe here, Marxism-Leninism, has almost no connection with, and was opposed by, the Democratic socialists who were the Marxists in the West.

Seer, that's the key part. Lenin pulled out of his rear end a whole toilet-load of new ideas that had almost nothing whatsoever to do with anything Karl Marx had written. "Marxism" in the sense of what Marx advocated, has almost nothing to do with "Leninism" in the sense of what Lenin advocated. The communism you are familiar with all comes from Leninism, not Marx. Those in the West who actually followed Marx's ideas (commonly known as Democratic Socialists) tend to think as little of communism as you do.

So there are two branches of Marxism. The question is which branch is BLM following?

[seer]

Those in the West who actually followed Marx's ideas (commonly known as Democratic Socialists) tend to think as little of communism as you do.

Which ideas of Marx are they - exactly?

[Starlight]

Which ideas of Marx are they - exactly?

As I said in an earlier post, the two major themes in the works of Marx are a desire for more Democracy, and more rights/control/ownership in/of the workplace by/for workers.

(Ironically, Leninism, which claimed to be Marxist in inspiration, pretty actively worked against both these things!)