Trump masks and self-distancing,

[DivineOb]

So asymptomatic people aren't spreaders, but presymptomatic people maybe possibly are. Okay.

But even then, the chances of you happening to pass even a "presymptomatic" person in a grocery store and catching the Whuhan virus simply because you passed them in the canned goods aisle is negligible.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...store-unlikely

Care to quote the word 'negligible' from that article?

[oxmixmudd]

So asymptomatic people aren't spreaders, but presymptomatic people maybe possibly are. Okay.

are, no 'maybe' about it.
And you are revealing a limited capacity to understand scientific papers again...

But even then, the chances of you happening to pass even a "presymptomatic" person in a grocery store and catching the Whuhan virus simply because you passed them in the canned goods aisle is negligible.

Asserts the fellow that does not understand enough about how the virus spreads to make such an assertion.

Low risks made even lower by wearing a mask. And when it's spreading out of control, we need it as low as possible.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...store-unlikely

The trend is up MM. And what that correlates to is places that opened too early and which do not require masks in public. There is a strong correlation worldwide with mask wearing in public and reduced transmission.

[mikewhitney]

So anyhow, I'm not particularly interested in right wing or left wing on this mask issue. I am just hoping people just see that we are compelled to do something that is symbolic instead of useful -- and actually harmful to many people forced to wear these things.

[shunyadragon]

Birx told doctors to mark the main cause of death as coronavirus if a person died while being suspected of being covid-19 positive.

Misrepresentation of the facts. There is problems on the inconsistency of the counts between the states, but this does not negate the severity of the fatalities due to COVID 19. With time these problems may be sorted out. The best over all estimate of fatalities is compare death rates over time in recent years.

Cuomo corraled sick people to nursing homes. Flu deaths were treated as coronavirus based on symptoms of the flu. Your ability to retain facts seems pretty bad.

False in New York the patients that lived in Extended Care facilities that had COVID 19 were returned to their residence after they recovered. With the hospitals overwhelmed and no room any where else would have left them in the street?

The problem I have with this all is that you will remain enslaved for the rest of your life. The governments, without any scientific basis on anything, started with a 14 day quarantine that extended to 90 days and, for many places, will go to the end of summer. People are losing their companies, jobs, education, healthcare, and entertainment. We have yielded to governor edicts who have not been granted this power by the state constitutions. Idiocy reigns and there are many people content with that.

Rambling eratic response without any consideration of the facts of the pandemic.

[mikewhitney]

Misrepresentation of the facts. There is problems on the inconsistency of the counts between the states, but this does not negate the severity of the fatalities due to COVID 19. With time these problems may be sorted out. The best over all estimate of fatalities is compare death rates over time in recent years.



False in New York the patients that lived in Extended Care facilities that had COVID 19 were returned to their residence after they recovered. With the hospitals overwhelmed and no room any where else would have left them in the street?



Rambling eratic response without any consideration of the facts of the pandemic.

I provided facts. The problem related to the intentful miscount of COVID-19 deaths is that this leads to irrational fear. My task is to calm people of those fears so we can get back to a normal life.

[mikewhitney]

Misrepresentation of the facts. There is problems on the inconsistency of the counts between the states, but this does not negate the severity of the fatalities due to COVID 19. With time these problems may be sorted out. The best over all estimate of fatalities is compare death rates over time in recent years.

False in New York the patients that lived in Extended Care facilities that had COVID 19 were returned to their residence after they recovered. With the hospitals overwhelmed and no room any where else would have left them in the street?

Rambling eratic response without any consideration of the facts of the pandemic.

I'm not sure why you claim that Birx's instruction was to favor coding deaths as COVID-19.

The fact of the matter is that the virus has not proven itself to be the super deadly pandemic that was first advertised (by Ferguson's super bad model) to lead to millions of deaths in the US. Only a few places had something really bad going on. You are right death does follow from severe fatalities. Yet the numbers (including the fake numbers, here) have been more closely related to flu than to something that would kill millions. People just don't pay attention to the important numbers here -- only to the media hype.

[Whateverman]

Trump masks and self-distancing, and other stuff.

Who knew that Darwinian evolution might apply to right-wing politics...

6 Trump campaign staff working on pivotal Tulsa rally test positive for coronavirus - live updates

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3207784001/

[mikewhitney]

Who knew that Darwinian evolution might apply to right-wing politics...



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3207784001/

The Darwin award goes to those tricked by the concern about number of "cases." They might as well report on the number of people who had mild stomachaches. Again, the irony is that protestors and rioters were allowed free reign in cities but people who want a free nation -- that type of gathering is dangerous.

The real danger is when a government has power to stop people from freely, peacefully assembling. If there only was an emergency shutdown of two weeks (while figuring out some aspects of a new and widespread virus), we could forgive the governments for their momentary violation of delegated powers. However, we see these governors continuing to act unilaterally in violation of the Constitutions, now with ignorant policies being enforced.

[shunyadragon]

I'm not sure why you claim that Birx's instruction was to favor coding deaths as COVID-19.

The fact of the matter is that the virus has not proven itself to be the super deadly pandemic that was first advertised (by Ferguson's super bad model) to lead to millions of deaths in the US. Only a few places had something really bad going on. You are right death does follow from severe fatalities. Yet the numbers (including the fake numbers, here) have been more closely related to flu than to something that would kill millions. People just don't pay attention to the important numbers here -- only to the media hype.

First I want to emphasize the false statement you made; In New York the patients that lived in Extended Care facilities that had COVID 19 were returned to their residence after they recovered. With the hospitals overwhelmed and no room any where else would have left them in the street?

Second it was well known the Coronavirus was predicted to be pandemic early. Japan and South Korea knew and started measures early and seriously, and were successful.

USA had serious early warnings by Fauci and others beginning in January. Other countries that failed to take the Coronavirus serious suffered dearly like Brazil, Great Britian, Iran, and Russia

Source: https://www.vox.com/2020/4/12/21218305/trump-ignored-coronavirus-warnings

A new investigation reveals Trump ignored experts on Covid-19 for months

© Copyright Original Source

[mikewhitney]

First I want to emphasize the false statement you made; In New York the patients that lived in Extended Care facilities that had COVID 19 were returned to their residence after they recovered. With the hospitals overwhelmed and no room any where else would have left them in the street?

Second it was well known the Coronavirus was predicted to be pandemic early. Japan and South Korea knew and started measures early and seriously, and were successful.

USA had serious early warnings by Fauci and others beginning in January. Other countries that failed to take the Coronavirus serious suffered dearly like Brazil, Great Britian, Iran, and Russia

You lost any leftover credibility when you posted something with quotes from the crooked Fauci. Also, the statistic do not elevate this coronavirus to a pandemic level. I may have to check Brazil's numbers, but last I checked them, they were not at a pandemic level. New York maybe was -- but this would be due to the governor and mayor, not just a coronavirus.

[shunyadragon]

You lost any leftover credibility when you posted something with quotes from the crooked Fauci. Also, the statistic do not elevate this coronavirus to a pandemic level. I may have to check Brazil's numbers, but last I checked them, they were not at a pandemic level. New York maybe was -- but this would be due to the governor and mayor, not just a coronavirus.

Pandemic is a world level pandemic and not one country or the other. What source are you citing to determine whether the COVID 18 was a pandemic or not? The article is accurate concerning the warnings Trump received from different sources, Fauci is only one.

[shunyadragon]

Who knew that Darwinian evolution might apply to right-wing politics...



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3207784001/

Well at present the Republican Party advocates Eugenics and survival of the fit and young as far as the COVID 19 pandemic goes, or as some assert the pandemic does not exist. 'It is just a bad flu.'

[mikewhitney]

Well at present the Republican Party advocates Eugenics and survival of the fit and young as far as the COVID 19 pandemic goes, or as some assert the pandemic does not exist. 'It is just a bad flu.'

I thought it was the Democrats who promote Abortion of blacks that best represents eugenics. The economic shutdown is causing suicides and will cause further deaths -- this was orchestrated primarily by Democrat governors.

[Whateverman]

I thought it was the Democrats who promote Abortion of blacks that best represents eugenics.

If you can quote Democrats who say/do this, you'll have made a valid point.

[mikewhitney]

If you can quote Democrats who say/do this, you'll have made a valid point.

I guess you have missed the relationship of Dems and Planned Parenthood. If you are not for abortion, they you are not included in the modern Eugenics movement.