NASCAR bans confederate flag from all events.

[MaxVel]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the NFL viewer and attendance numbers when that returns.

[Whateverman]

A trivial search would reveal that this video is, per its creator, comedy / satire.

The problem is that the very worst parody or satire or whatever is not very far at all from the idiocy we've seen from the extreme fringe left.

Yet like several people, you reacted to it in this thread was as if it were genuine. Your "Oh, my Lord Jesus Christ, please come soon!" makes no sense if you knew if was satire.

You know it's a fake, right?

[Whateverman]

The trend has been downward, for some time now.

'They'll be fine' is just your ignorance speaking, JimL.

"They'll be fine" was obviously a reference to the affect of the flag's absence on NASCAR's ratings. Just because they were already losing market share before this decision doesn't make Jim wrong or ignorant.

[JimL]

No it isn't. Not even close. In order for it to surpass the NFL and MLB, you have to add EVERY OTHER non-NASCAR division, including Formula 1, in motorsports.

Eh, it's all the same to me. Car racing is car racing. Perhaps they realize they need to be more inclusive and their older white confederate flag bearing fan base isn't cutting it.Or perhaps they actually want to take a stand against racism.

http://www.jayski.com/2020/06/01/nascar-statement/

[MaxVel]

"They'll be fine" was obviously a reference to the affect of the flag's absence on NASCAR's ratings. Just because they were already losing market share before this decision doesn't make Jim wrong or ignorant.

Pointing out that they are not fine, and weren't fine, before they banned the flag is relevant, since banning the flag is likely to have a negative effect on their already falling core audience. I expect NASCAR to drop even faster.

[MaxVel]

Eh, it's all the same to me. Car racing is car racing. Perhaps they realize they need to be more inclusive and their older white confederate flag bearing fan base isn't cutting it.Or perhaps they actually want to take a stand against racism.

http://www.jayski.com/2020/06/01/nascar-statement/

I believe that their audience is only 9% between 18-34, and mostly, by far, over 55. So perhaps they're inevitably going down regardless. I can't see banning the flag helping in any way.

As for 'making a statement against racism' - mostly that translates to doing something that doesn't actually affect anything in the real world, but looks good to urban liberal leftists.

[mossrose]

Yet like several people, you reacted to it in this thread was as if it were genuine. Your "Oh, my Lord Jesus Christ, please come soon!" makes no sense if you knew if was satire.

You know it's a fake, right?

At the time it was posted I did not know it was a set up.

And if it was, it is in very bad taste, at the very least, and does nothing to promote good relations between races.

And, a prayer for the Lord to return quickly is never out of place while we live in this sin-sick, evil world.

[JimL]

At the time it was posted I did not know it was a set up.

And if it was, it is in very bad taste, at the very least, and does nothing to promote good relations between races.

And, a prayer for the Lord to return quickly is never out of place while we live in this sin-sick, evil world.

It must have been a flaw in engineering, the Lord should have made us all more like you.

[mossrose]

It must have been a flaw in engineering, the Lord should have made us all more like you.

Wow.

[oxmixmudd]

I believe that their audience is only 9% between 18-34, and mostly, by far, over 55. So perhaps they're inevitably going down regardless. I can't see banning the flag helping in any way.

As for 'making a statement against racism' - mostly that translates to doing something that doesn't actually affect anything in the real world, but looks good to urban liberal leftists.

Mostly it recognizes that the confederate flag is viewed as a symbol of racism by most of the country and the world and thus has no place in the modern world except as an artifact of history. It recognizes that flag carries that meaning, regardless of what other meanings it may carry.

It has a strong effect in that it stops sending the message that nascar embraces a symbol strongly associated with racism. It says this symbol and those that embrace that aspect of it are not welcome in nascar. It says if you race with nascar, nascar will not tolerate you expressing tolerance for racism through that symbol.

[Whateverman]

At the time it was posted I did not know it was a set up.

And if it was, it is in very bad taste, at the very least, and does nothing to promote good relations between races.

I suppose. I'm not disagreeing, but I took it as cheap propaganda rather than something in bad taste. To me, the video is indicative of the problem with fake news, and using social media to be informed about what's going on.

And, a prayer for the Lord to return quickly is never out of place while we live in this sin-sick, evil world.

I didn't object to the prayer. He could have said something entirely secular (ie. "someone please give these liberal white people some common sense!"), and I would have questioned his reaction just the same.

[seer]

Mostly it recognizes that the confederate flag is viewed as a symbol of racism by most of the country and the world and thus has no place in the modern world except as an artifact of history. It recognizes that flag carries that meaning, regardless of what other meanings it may carry.

You are dense Jim if you don't see what is going on. Statues of Washington and Jefferson are symbol of racism, the Betsy Ross flag is seen as a racist symbol. The American flag is racist. Where will it end Jim?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/prof...ayed-on-campus

https://www.newsweek.com/betsy-ross-...racist-1447174

[mikewhitney]

Mostly it recognizes that the confederate flag is viewed as a symbol of racism by most of the country and the world and thus has no place in the modern world except as an artifact of history. It recognizes that flag carries that meaning, regardless of what other meanings it may carry.

It has a strong effect in that it stops sending the message that nascar embraces a symbol strongly associated with racism. It says this symbol and those that embrace that aspect of it are not welcome in nascar. It says if you race with nascar, nascar will not tolerate you expressing tolerance for racism through that symbol.

There is an equal or greater problem of those in the "North" (basically the elitist leftist mindset).
The North proclaims its pseudo-intellectual stand over against the so-called idiots of the South. There is great inherent hypocrisy in the North's claim to promote equality. This Northern "equality" is made at the expense of replaying the Civil War over and over again. The claim of supremacy is made by the North by making blacks into servants of the North's cause. The supremacy is at the claim of excluding a Christian message.

The North despises a Christianity which offers a living relationship with our Creator. The North despises a Christianity with a competing claim of morality.

The essential distinction betwen the North and imagined South here is that the North exercises its bias without having a flag to wave -- a flag that can be captured in pictures. The Northern bias is hidden and thus quite dangerous.

[Whateverman]

Yeah. Tell your core audience that they are racist hicks, and a symbol they value is no longer allowed.

I haven't seen evidence that supporters of the Confederacy are NASCAR's core audience.

I have seen both liberals and conservatives being nostalgic about shows like The Dukes Of Hazzard, and not caring particularly that it displayed rebel flags back in the day. There's a good chance that both sides would cheer an appearance made by The General Lee in the right context.

In other words, there's a good chance that banning the flag isn't going to impact NASCAR's bottom line too much. Time will tell, though...

[JimL]

You are dense Jim if you don't see what is going on. Statues of Washington and Jefferson are symbol of racism, the Betsy Ross flag is seen as a racist symbol. The American flag is racist. Where will it end Jim?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/prof...ayed-on-campus

https://www.newsweek.com/betsy-ross-...racist-1447174

They weren't treasonous insurrectionist against their own country which cost the lives of what, 160 thousand americans, in the fight to preserve slavery.