Defund Police...

[Cow Poke]

I'm certainly a lot more worried about this, than you are about protesters throwing fire crackers or bashing in windows.

I'm not the LEAST bit worried about protesters throwing fire crackers, because that's not happening.

[JimL]

Do these idiots realize what their city would look like without law enforcement?

You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding. It doesn't mean doing away with law enforcement, it means reallocating some of the billions that go into law enforcement back into communities. In otherwords instead of breeding criminality and unnecessarily locking all criminals up, which for one thing is costing billions, and take someof the burden off of law enforcement and put those funds into the needs of communities.

[Cow Poke]

You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding. It doesn't mean doing away with law enforcement, it means reallocating some of the billions that go into law enforcement back into communities. In otherwords instead of breeding criminality and unnecessarily locking all criminals up, which for one thing is costing billions, and take someof the burden off of law enforcement and put those funds into the needs of communities.

You have just demonstrated that You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding.

[Leonhard]

Here you go Cow Poke.


Athens-Clark County police officers.


Miami police.


San Jose police.


Richmond police.

[JimL]

You have just demonstrated that You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding.

No, actually your response has just demonstrated that you don't understand what is meant by defunding in this instance. Not surprising.

[seer]

You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding. It doesn't mean doing away with law enforcement, it means reallocating some of the billions that go into law enforcement back into communities. In otherwords instead of breeding criminality and unnecessarily locking all criminals up, which for one thing is costing billions, and take someof the burden off of law enforcement and put those funds into the needs of communities.

No Jim, they want to abolish the police - no police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7jSAnwWzQs

abolish the police

https://www.vox.com/culture/2020/6/8...polis-new-york

Even if it is what you are speaking of just watch the crime rates soar.

[seanD]

You are misunderstanding what is meant by defunding. It doesn't mean doing away with law enforcement, it means reallocating some of the billions that go into law enforcement back into communities. In otherwords instead of breeding criminality and unnecessarily locking all criminals up, which for one thing is costing billions, and take someof the burden off of law enforcement and put those funds into the needs of communities.

That seems counterproductive to what you want. If you cut police funds (allocating the funds elsewhere), this will cause departments to reduce its resources, including laying off officers. The fewer officers you have, the more you're setting up situations rife for brutality. Since less cops will have to pick up the slack, this means more cop stress and burnout, which means more chances of brutality.

[Cow Poke]

Here you go Cow Poke.....

Not sure what you're trying to show there, Leon - these are pictures with no context.

What point are you trying to make?

[Leonhard]

That seems counterproductive to what you want. If you cut police funds (allocating the funds elsewhere), this will cause departments to reduce its resources, including laying off officers. The fewer officers you have, the more you're setting up situations rife for brutality. Since less cops will have to pick up the slack, this means more cop stress and burnout, which means more chances of brutality.

We can start by not funnelling military equipment into the police. That should, if what Cow Poke says is right, ironically give them more money. They wouldn't have to fuel and maintain these tanks. Then those things could go to a graveyard, or be dismantled and turned into scrap metal at smelting plant (which is a far better use of that metal at any rate if you ask me).

[Cow Poke]

That seems counterproductive to what you want. If you cut police funds (allocating the funds elsewhere), this will cause departments to reduce its resources, including laying off officers. The fewer officers you have, the more you're setting up situations rife for brutality. Since less cops will have to pick up the slack, this means more cop stress and burnout, which means more chances of brutality.

It also means that fewer cops will feel a greater threat, because there is safety in numbers, and may overreact rather than be overtaken.

[Leonhard]

Not sure what you're trying to show there, Leon - these are pictures with no context.

What point are you trying to make?

You seemed to imply that these vehicles were almost never used. I just them at some of the biggest protests with hardly any effort. Seems like the police aren't just using them for floods, and as rescue vehicles.

[Cow Poke]

This is ridiculous Cow Poke. That sounds really dumb. They don't need tanks. They're police, not military.....

Prior to the North Hollywood Shootout, it would have been argued that it's ridiculous for police officers to have automatic weapons - that sounds really dumb - they don't need automatic weapons. They're police, not military.

[Cow Poke]

You seemed to imply that these vehicles were almost never used.

Not "almost never", but certainly not routinely.

I just them at some of the biggest protests with hardly any effort.

So..... you think these "biggest protests" are every day things? And your pictures provide no context.

Seems like the police aren't just using them for floods, and as rescue vehicles.

That was an ancillary use, Leon. The primary use would be for use in raids on crack houses (you'd be amazed how deadly those can be to police - a friend of mine was killed just a few years ago in one of those) and riots.

[JimL]

No Jim, they want to abolish the police - no police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7jSAnwWzQs

It's idiotic to even think that's what defunding means, seer. No one wants to get rid of law enforcement, it's about reform and reallocation of funds, not abolishing the police. That's just dumb!

Even if it is what you are speaking of just watch the crime rates soar.

Poverty breeds criminality, and reallocating funds from the police to the needs of the community will reduce crime, as well as to the cost burden of the criminal justice system. What we are now heading for is a police state.

[Leonhard]

Not "almost never", but certainly not routinely. ... So..... you think these "biggest protests" are every day things? And your pictures provide no context.

I see no need for presence period. What's the next thing Cow Poke, an M-1 Abrams Tank and M134 machine guns? How about the military getting the old Flamethrowers out of storage, I'm sure they're perfect for "riot" control.