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Ahmaud Arbery; racist killing and attempted cover up.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYep, he accidently pulled the trigger 3 times.
To me, it looks like STUPID was on parade that day all around, on both sides.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou are inexcusably ignorant. Obama frequently took veiled, and in many cases not-so-veiled swipes at President Bush to the point that "Blame Bush" became a joke during Obama's two-terms in office.
I stand by my belief that Donald Trump's overt, deep, and irrational hatred of Obama is sourced in deep racial prejudice, along with a great deal of the right's disdain for him. Donald Trump can not abide his nation gaining anything good from a black man in power. And it is his mission to make sure nothing of what Obama did remains for future generations to benefit from. This is what I believe motivates him WRT Obama.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt happens more often than you think, Jim, when there's a struggle over a gun. I'm not saying it did in this case - things are not so well defined, but when somebody is trying to hold onto a weapon that somebody else is trying to take away - the same thing happens, the hand grips the gun tighter, and the finger could pull the trigger.
To me, it looks like STUPID was on parade that day all around, on both sides.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostYep, he accidently pulled the trigger 3 times.
Tell me, under those circumstances, do you think it would be possible to accidentally discharge the weapon multiple times?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHad they stayed in the truck instead of jumping out to confront the guy none of this would have happened and Arbery could have continued on his merry way. Once McMichael jumped out with his shotgun in hand to confront him there was an immanent threat and Arbery's actions at that point, whether his decision turned out to be a wise one or not, is irrelevant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou are holding a shotgun with your finger on the trigger, and someone tries to wrestle the gun away from you.
Tell me, under those circumstances, do you think it would be possible to accidentally discharge the weapon multiple times?Last edited by Cow Poke; 05-20-2020, 10:27 AM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI stand by my belief that Donald Trump's overt, deep, and irrational hatred of Obama is sourced in deep racial prejudice, along with a great deal of the right's disdain for him.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHad they stayed in the truck instead of jumping out to confront the guy none of this would have happened and Arbery could have continued on his merry way. Once McMichael jumped out with his shotgun in hand to confront him there was an immanent threat and Arbery's actions at that point, whether his decision turned out to be a wise one or not, is irrelevant.
But to do that, they would have to imagine themselves out for a run, taking a break at a house under construction, and then getting flagged down by two or three people in vehicles with a threatening posture. Deciding to try to ignore them and be on your way, only to have them pursuing you, with the truck in front pulling on ahead, stopping. One fellow getting out and standing in the bed in a confrontational posture and the other getting out with a shotgun in hand.
And then asking the question - what do I do? At least two angry men in front. perhaps one behind, And the two in front have guns on them, and one of them has his gun drawn. And the question is not what THEY would do vs what Arbery did. The question is to get a-hold of the raw FEAR and CONFUSION that would grip a person in that situation. to begin to understand what was done TO him.
And then (although I doubt these yahoos are even capable of this) try to see if from the perspective of a black man who grew up in Georgia, looking into the eyes of two angry and armed white men.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-20-2020, 10:36 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostHad they stayed in the truck instead of jumping out to confront the guy none of this would have happened and Arbery could have continued on his merry way. Once McMichael jumped out with his shotgun in hand to confront him there was an immanent threat and Arbery's actions at that point, whether his decision turned out to be a wise one or not, is irrelevant.
Based on current public knowledge, this seems to be one of those strange cases where neither party was clearly in the right, or clearly in the wrong, and now it's up to the judicial system to untangle the mess.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBased on current public knowledge, this seems to be one of those strange cases where neither party was clearly in the right, or clearly in the wrong, and now it's up to the judicial system to untangle the mess.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf THIS "yahoo" were black, and in Arbery's shoes, I wouldn't be running toward redneck white dudes with guns.
One post each.
The point is not what YOU would do. The point is to understand what HE was facing. He apparently believed he was in a situation he needed to fight to survive, and he had been taught by his mother to avoid fights if he could, but if there is no other way out, fight for your life and fight to win. And that is what he did. He was facing death in the face, and it was either run and get shot in the back, submit and suffer who knows what, or fight and hopefully survive. That is the situation. Now maybe you would run. Maybe you would hope they didn't intend to kill you and just stop and put your hands up (some of that is you are white and so are they. A black man facing two white men with guns is going to be far less likely to believe they are not out to kill him). And maybe you would fight to survive. But that part doesn't really matter, because the men who killed him created the circumstance.
That's all I have to say. Truce resumed if you will allow it.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-20-2020, 10:45 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't think someone confronting you while simply holding a weapon is enough in and of itself to constitute an imminent threat. From what I can see in the video, the man on the ground only aimed his weapon after Arbery failed to stop and continued running straight at him, and the gun wasn't discharged until after Arbery actually attacked and tried to wrestle the gun away, at which point there was an imminent threat.
Based on current public knowledge, this seems to be one of those strange cases where neither party was clearly in the right, or clearly in the wrong, and now it's up to the judicial system to untangle the mess.
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