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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostThis time round at the start there was a "~shrug~ These sort of things tend to spread, y'know, even with weak attempts to seal borders, so why bother?" response.
Well, yes, in hindsight he probably should have, but in early January, China and the WHO were still telling us that human-to-human transmission wasn't possible and that China had it completely under control, so what would such a decision have been based on? And this is assuming it wasn't already in the US at that point since there are indications that China may have known about this as early as November 2019.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostChina found that literally sealing people into their homes was an excellent means of preventing infected people from entering the population. I imagine that saved a lot of lives.
C.I.A. Hunts for Authentic Virus Totals in China, Dismissing Government Tallies
Intelligence officials have told the White House for weeks that China has vastly understated the spread of the coronavirus and the damage the pandemic has done.
But American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the virus and is as blind as the rest of the world. Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.
Bureaucratic misreporting is a chronic problem for any government, but it has grown worse in China as the Communist leadership has taken a more authoritarian turn in recent years under Mr. Xi.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's rayyyycisssst!!!"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThat's a dumb reaction, sorry. You know what was meant.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostseanD was mocking the dumb reaction of liberals who insist that any mention of China's culpability is racist and xenophobic.
You and Rogue seem to be the main culprits in that regard in this forum."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThere does seem to have been deliberate attempts by some on the American right to stoke racism and xenophobia and patriotism with regard to this virus. Presumably the idea of such propaganda was to present the situation as US vs China and have everyone rally around the dear leader (Trump) and focus on an enemy to hate (conservatives seem to need that).
You and Rogue seem to be the main culprits in that regard in this forum."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThere does seem to have been deliberate attempts by some on the American right to stoke racism and xenophobia and patriotism with regard to this virus. Presumably the idea of such propaganda was to present the situation as US vs China and have everyone rally around the dear leader (Trump) and focus on an enemy to hate (conservatives seem to need that).
You and Rogue seem to be the main culprits in that regard in this forum.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror, elsewherePoor wording, I should had said China had to have known, for months, and just repeated this lie and got the WHO and the rest of the world to buy into their lies.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostWhen the crisis is over and we've had a chance to analyze our response we'll know how successful our efforts have been.
I consider 80,000 difficult, but achievable, based on my analysis of the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team Report / March 16
As of Wednesday, the model predicted the virus will kill 60,000 people in the United States over the next four months. That's about 33,000 fewer deaths than the model estimated last Thursday.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/healt...del/index.html
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostTheir new estimate is 60,000 deaths if people keep isolating.
As of Wednesday, the model predicted the virus will kill 60,000 people in the United States over the next four months. That's about 33,000 fewer deaths than the model estimated last Thursday.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/healt...del/index.htmlMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostTheir new estimate is 60,000 deaths if people keep isolating.
As of Wednesday, the model predicted the virus will kill 60,000 people in the United States over the next four months. That's about 33,000 fewer deaths than the model estimated last Thursday.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/healt...del/index.htmlSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSuccess would have been the world sealing borders properly and fast enough such that there were never any cases outside of China.
All the deaths, all the mass quarantines, all the lost jobs, all the bailouts, are a result of the failure to act fast enough to block the international spread of it.
No, 80,000 deaths is not "success". We have 1 death here in NZ, and I consider that a failure... it should never have reached our country in the first place. In the US you have 100x the population of NZ, so 100 deaths for you I would consider a failure. So 80,000 deaths would be 800x a failure.
However it appears to me that the US is taking totally inadequate actions to contain the spread so it wouldn't surprise me if a significant fraction of the total US population (e.g. a third) ends up getting the virus. That would be around a million deaths if that happened. That would be an epic failure on a scale rarely seen in history.
By the way, I used the chart on RealClearPolitics for my numbers."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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