WHO is Really Responsible For The Pandemic?

[JimL]

Jan 17th, they repeated that the China Flu did not spread human to human.

The W.H.O. could only repeat what they were being told by Chinese authorities. Apparently you haven't grasped that fact yet.

[simplicio]

Jan 17th, they repeated that the China Flu did not spread human to human.

And in the middle of March you had some numnuts posting "Eat at Bob Evans, Its packed!" The Chinese in mid January totally screwed up, and it took another eight weeks for US politicians to figure it out.

Ron Vara (Navarro alter ego as the Chinese mockingly pointed out), Trump's trade guru with tight connections to this administration noted that the epidemic in China posed a great threat to the US. And now we are the equivalent of a third world country when it comes to pandemic response. This administration found the Chinese lies useful enough to base their policies on!

And in mid April, the transmission numbers are all over the place (not from politicians).

Do you really think the the WHO is the be-all-and-end-all for epidemic information?

[Watermelon]

Has China ever made it apparent that it can be trusted to give accurate information?

[demi-conservative]

Even Fauci on 29 Feb promoted life as normal. Fauci, the CDC, and the ''''''''''experts'''''''''' all should be fired for the delayed action.

[Watermelon]

Even Fauci on 29 Feb promoted life as normal. Fauci, the CDC, and the ''''''''''experts'''''''''' all should be fired for the delayed action.

Not to brag or anything but my wife started stockpiling supplies in January. She saw the leaked footage from Wuhan and said this is serious and I said the Chinese are crazy people and she slapped me in the face and bought 200kgs of rice.

[Sparko]

Even Fauci on 29 Feb promoted life as normal. Fauci, the CDC, and the ''''''''''experts'''''''''' all should be fired for the delayed action.

You are as bad as the people claiming Trump should have shut down the country when there were no cases!

Fauci clearly said that **AT THE TIME*** there was no need to change how people interacted, but as if it started community spreading then they would need to take action.

Nobody is at blame for not shutting down the country when there were no cases of community spread. That would have been stupid. But as soon as it became known that it was spreading in the wild at various locations, Fauci and Trump acted.

[demi-conservative]

You are as bad as the people claiming Trump should have shut down the country when there were no cases!

Fauci clearly said that **AT THE TIME*** there was no need to change how people interacted, but as if it started community spreading then they would need to take action.

By end February there was enough data from China, Korea, Italy, that the virus was rather infectious and would result in community spread. Community spread should have been presumed once US cases were detected, especially since flights from Italy had not been blocked. Trump can be excused for not knowing this, but Fauci who is an '''''''''''''expert''''''''''''''' has no excuse.

It's completely dumb. Community spread is to be expected, but 'since we haven't detected it yet with our lack of testing kits we assume it hasn't happened yet' -Fauci.

[shunyadragon]

It is not nonsense seer, it is the plain truth. Fauci's statement was a qualified assessment of the real danger. Taking away those qualifications and effectively lies about what he said.

And are you actually going to take the position that if I point out the facts you will ask me to leave?

This is life and death seer. Think carefully before you demand I no longer post the truth in your thread. I am not blaming Trump alone. I said the White House, which includes the multitude of conservative but scientifically illiterate ideologues he has surrounded himself with.

Seer behaves like Trump. If you disagree you are ordered to leave.

[Sparko]

By end February there was enough data from China, Korea, Italy, that the virus was rather infectious and would result in community spread. Community spread should have been presumed once US cases were detected, especially since flights from Italy had not been blocked. Trump can be excused for not knowing this, but Fauci who is an '''''''''''''expert''''''''''''''' has no excuse.

It's completely dumb. Community spread is to be expected, but 'since we haven't detected it yet with our lack of testing kits we assume it hasn't happened yet' -Fauci.

But until it was actually IN THE NATION there was no need to shut things down. If you lived in a city with no cases, why would you shut it down and put people out of work? That would be madness. Once people start catching it, then you act. When there were only cases in Washington and California why shut down Texas, Georgia, etc?

[shunyadragon]

You are as bad as the people claiming Trump should have shut down the country when there were no cases!

Fauci clearly said that **AT THE TIME*** there was no need to change how people interacted, but as if it started community spreading then they would need to take action.

Nobody is at blame for not shutting down the country when there were no cases of community spread. That would have been stupid. But as soon as it became known that it was spreading in the wild at various locations, Fauci and Trump acted.

No one is claiming Trump should shut down the country before their were cases. Like Fauci stated the social distancing and other measures could have been implemented earlier whe the COVAG 19 virus was known to be spreading in other countries and the USA.

[demi-conservative]

But until it was actually IN THE NATION there was no need to shut things down. If you lived in a city with no cases, why would you shut it down and put people out of work? That would be madness. Once people start catching it, then you act. When there were only cases in Washington and California why shut down Texas, Georgia, etc?

I did not say they should do something that drastic. What was the context?

There were several obvious things he could have done, such as recommend strongly against cruises, recommend strongly against unnecessary contact with elderly people, recommend shutting down schools in the regions with detected cases, elderly wearing masks, start preparing for contact tracing.

[seer]

Seer behaves like Trump. If you disagree you are ordered to leave.

No idiot, this thread is not about Trump. There are other threads for that...

[Mountain Man]

No one is claiming Trump should shut down the country before their were cases. Like Fauci stated the social distancing and other measures could have been implemented earlier whe the COVAG 19 virus was known to be spreading in other countries and the USA.

Yes, that's what he's saying now in hindsight in response to a hypothetical question, but he didn't recommend that to the President at that time who was listening to his experts and taking the recommended actions.

[simplicio]

Right at the moment when much of the developing world is depending on international, supranational groups like the WHO, the US is cutting finding for WHO. America first, the rest of the world be damned?

[seer]

Right at the moment when much of the developing world is depending on international, supranational groups like the WHO, the US is cutting finding for WHO. America first, the rest of the world be damned?

What good is the WHO when they merely carry the water for China? And the funding is only temporary cut, until we get more info.