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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWow...I didn't get THAT from any of the posts I read. I definitely missed the mark...
My point is that each task in health care has an appropriate level protective gear, which parallels Army SOPs. Hospitals battled ubiquitous bugs like orsa and mersa, dangerous bugs like the flesh eating staph, etc. Seldom was full gear used. Hospitals have varying levels which are considered essential for the task (and I note that it has been less than a generation since gloves have been used for all contact with patients).
CDC knows what they are doing (I hope). If not, there are countless nursing and medical professionals out there. And they have thought through these things, and the information is out there.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMortality isn't the same as being sick enough to be in the hospital and tying up resources.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostBack at the start of this exchange, Pixie criticized wiping down shopping carts without gloves or mask. Reducing the germ load is possible without a mask or gloves, which is one goal of wiping down. And another goal which I did not bring up is the behavioral symbolism of wiping down surfaces, which cannot be ignored since it is significant. Shopping carts cannot be reasonably disinfected, sanitization is the goal. Army doctrine distinguished between sanitization and disinfecting when it comes to bio agents, bioweapons and normal disease agents in both combat and health care. (military portable hospitals are not designed for dealing with infectious diseases, rather battlefield traumas. Which is why soldiers are moved out as quickly as possible)
My point is that each task in health care has an appropriate level protective gear, which parallels Army SOPs. Hospitals battled ubiquitous bugs like orsa and mersa, dangerous bugs like the flesh eating staph, etc. Seldom was full gear used. Hospitals have varying levels which are considered essential for the task (and I note that it has been less than a generation since gloves have been used for all contact with patients).
CDC knows what they are doing (I hope). If not, there are countless nursing and medical professionals out there. And they have thought through these things, and the information is out there.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
There are countries with very low mortality. Russia, interestingly, with only 93 cases, has reported 0 deaths so far.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostTrue, but somewher around 50% of those that end up in The ICU with this die. Given that, my statement stands.Last edited by Sparko; 03-17-2020, 02:36 PM.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIf that were true, what has happened in italy simply would not be happening. You're quoting a mortality rate 1/10 that of the flu. It would be impossible for a disease with such a low mortality rate to overwhelm any modern medical system.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIf that were true, what has happened in italy simply would not be happening. You're quoting a mortality rate 1/10 that of the flu. It would be impossible for a disease with such a low mortality rate to overwhelm any modern medical system.Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-17-2020, 03:09 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWiping down surfaces does in fact reduce or eliminate any virus or bacteria not being brought into the environment by the person doing the wiping - which is the point of doing it to a grocery cart that was just selected to use in the store
It is the equivalent of reducing grime, which is effective in partially sanitizing equipment, and gloves and mask will make for little difference. So the employee was doing okay without the extra equipment.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHow man people are rushing to the hospital and demanding unnecessary testing and treatment because they have a cough and are now convinced they're going to die because of the media's fearmongering, but in reality would recover quite well at home with a little rest and chicken soup? That will clog up the healthcare system just as readily as legitimate serious cases.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't think that is true. Where do you get that number? Also not everyone in the hospital ends up in the ICU. But they still clog up the healthcare system, such as tying up doctors and nurses, hospital beds, equipment, etc.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAs a practical matter, it merely reduces the number, it is not practical to nearly eliminate the virus load on the cart with a quick wipe down. Disinfecting a cart is impractical, the contact of the ungloved hand or breathing of the employee will only impart relatively few viruses.
It is the equivalent of reducing grime, which is effective in partially sanitizing equipment, and gloves and mask will make for little difference. So the employee was doing okay without the extra equipment.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHow many people are rushing to the hospital and demanding unnecessary testing and treatment because they have a cough and are now convinced they're going to die because of the media's fearmongering, but in reality would recover quite well at home with a little rest and chicken soup? That will clog up the healthcare system just as readily as legitimate serious cases.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDo you have a point? This thing is not .01% mortality. If we are lucky it is only 100x that.
Even with that low of a mortality rate (which I agree isn't that low) you could easily overwhelm the medical system. A - people panic and B - there could be more serious cases that require hospitalization but not end in death which could mean a very serious illness but with a low mortality rate.
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