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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe above defense of Rand Paul choosing to test out of caution "because he's powerful" now fails, because Paul has chosen not even to self-quarantine in the first place. So what was even the point?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostYet you STILL take your daily digs at the President...
Criticizing a president that merits criticism is not partisanship unless the criticism is unfounded.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI think he is self-quarantining now. The issue being discussed publicly, AFAIK, was his decision to NOT self-quarantine during that window between when he was tested and when he got the results. Several members of congress who have reason to believe they've been exposed are doing just that. Rand did not. It will be interesting to see the impact of this on Congress itself. The average age of Representatives is 58-59 and for Senators it is around 62-63. House leadership averages in the 70s!
I am unconvinced that remote voting for Congress passes constitutional muster because the Constitution's wordings do imply that it takes place in a given location. I am also concerned about the security of any telecommunications attempts on that count. But it may be the least bad option."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI think he is self-quarantining now. The issue being discussed publicly, AFAIK, was his decision to NOT self-quarantine during that window between when he was tested and when he got the results. Several members of congress who have reason to believe they've been exposed are doing just that. Rand did not. It will be interesting to see the impact of this on Congress itself. The average age of Representatives is 58-59 and for Senators it is around 62-63. House leadership averages in the 70s!
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostYet you STILL take your daily digs at the President...
What you, and rogue, and MM (and others) completely fail to understand is that I'm about the truth, and what is right. Period. Whenever Trump is actually on the wagon of truth and what is right - I'll be able and willing to acknowledge it - just as I have in several posts today. I am not partisan. I am about the Truth. That means I get that without industry we don't have jobs or an economy. I get that fiscal conservatism is a plus. But I also get we are ruining our climate in the name of greed and ignorance. And that corporate executive often exploit the poor and the needy to fatten their paychecks.
I will be critical of what is wrong no matter who it is, no matter what ideology, political party, tribe, race or religion they hail from. And I will be willing to praise what is good likewise. I could care less what their stupid label is, religious, geographical, cultural, or political.
We need to work together to stop this. We need to drop the political trappings and do what is right to the best we can - all of us.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnlike most of the GOP leadership, many of us are willing to call Trump out when he acts foolishly or dangerously as well as compliment him when he does well. Unfortunately, there is a lot of the former and not a lot of the latter. His decision to declare a national emergency is a good example of the latter. So is his decision to invoke the Defense Production Act. His failure to follow through on either in critical ways is an example of the latter. His encouragement of social distancing and not touching one's face is an example of the latter. Putting economy over life/health is an example of the latter.
Criticizing a president that merits criticism is not partisanship unless the criticism is unfounded.
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There was some discussion a few days ago about Germany and a very low mortality rate of about .24%. The latest is 0.45% - almost double. As expected of a nation doing a good bit of testing, as more time elapses and more people make progress through the disease, the mortality increases. And while ~.5% is lower than the typical seen (>1%), it is still 5x that of the flu. Germany is also experiencing massive growth in # of cases, and perhaps more importantly, the slope of their logarithmic death rate curve is steeper than that of the logarithmic cases curve, meaning that the mortality rate will continue to increase., at least for now.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhat do you think about DOJ trying to use this crisis to suspend habeas corpus?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostYou are correct on that; I had been misinformed on that count.
I am unconvinced that remote voting for Congress passes constitutional muster because the Constitution's wordings do imply that it takes place in a given location. I am also concerned about the security of any telecommunications attempts on that count. But it may be the least bad option.
Of course, there is a good chance that the textual purists will actually stand against this position because it opens the door to interpretation which is a "slippery slope." I wonder if anyone using that argument understands that "slippery slope" is actually a logical fallacy?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWas there any reason he got tested? Did he show signs, or he did it just out of caution? If the latter is true, there was no reason for him to suspect he was infected, therefore no reason for him to have taken measures to quarantine himself.
IMO, if you are worried enough about being exposed to get tested, you should be worried enough about spreading it to self-quarantine. Rand is a doctor. He should know better.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhat do you think about DOJ trying to use this crisis to suspend habeas corpus?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAre many on board with the governments reversal on the lock down?
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThis is the first I hear of it, but I am not in favor. Unlike the emergency declaration and invoking the Defense Production Act (which he still has not leveraged to any benefit that I can see), I see no justification for suspending habeas corpus at this time. That is a radical step, only one step short of declaring martial law. This administration is too enamored of strong men for me to be comfortable with either of those steps at this time.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAre many on board with the governments reversal on the lock down?
If so, since the reversal is coming from Trump, I think we can safely predict that his base will largely fall in line. Hopefully, the rest of us will listen to the medical community and medical experts. Personally, based on the available information, I think it is premature to roll back social distancing initiatives.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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