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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIt's ridiculous that someone powerful like Rand Paul was able to be tested out of "caution" despite having no symptomsRemember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI had that. Hit me like Mjolnir on Dec. 28 after being around hacking, sneezing relatives on Christmas. Flattened me pretty totally for most of January and I was still way below normal for most of February. Worst cough ever. Literally scary, since I live alone; there were a few times I briefly couldn't get any air and things went black momentarily. Worst sore throat ever. Achy (It literally felt like my hair hurt. I get that feeling when I'm really sick.) Exhausted and listless. I often slept 16 hours a day. Fevers (low and only for a few days) and chills.
The loss of appetite was particularly notable, since one of my quirks is that I usually get an increased appetite when I have a cold or flu. I lost 10-15 pounds in six weeks.
I still have what feels like irritation to my glottis from the violence of the coughing. (I still have a cough, but I've had an allergy-related dry cough for over 20 years, and it got worse after I started on Lisinopril several months ago -- infamous side-effect.)
Really don't know whether it was Kung Flu or a really bad "regular" flu.
But your affliction is similar enough and early enough to where I am second guessing now. Maybe it was a secondary flu.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostRidiculous? It's common sense that people in power get more privileges. Congress is still open, and it'd be a nightmare if Congresspeople started spreading it among themselves.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostI asked what you would have done differently.
- Been honest from the outset with the American people about the severity of the virus. Given what information we had at the time due to China lying to us for months he was giving us what he knew trying to make sure that there was no panic. The China government still isn't being honest with us.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- Brought governors and the mayors of major cities into the loop at the outset, especially those with detected infections, to get action going at the state level as quickly as possible. [B]He did do that all that including keeping them in the loop, the Democrat Governor of my State Governor Newsom gave him praise for it California is one of the states that has detected infections.[/B
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- Identified supply gaps, invoked the Defense Production Act, and actually acted on it as soon as the gaps were identified. We have known that hand sanitizer, masks, and ventilators (to name a few things) were likely to be in short supply for weeks now. He did identify the supply gaps and before invoking the Defense production Act got together with the private sector to see how they could handle this emergency and got results from that. You are complaining because he didn't immediately act like the Dictator you assume he is.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- Instructed my entire cabinet and congressional leaders (which have required actually meeting with them) to get on the same page and push the social-distancing and hand-washing message everywhere and consistently, instead of the garbled messaging from such characters as Nunes, Pence, Carson, and Trump himself, to name a few. it is news to me that they haven't been pushing the social distancing and hand-washing etc and as for supposed garbled messaging I suspect it is the usual suspects in the media taking things out of context in order to keep their false narrative of orangeman bad going.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postas for- Directed the CDC to validate the German protocols and clear state labs to develop tests as soon as he WHO declared a global pandemic. I'll give you that ok so you would have micromanaged things I get it. and are again complain about Trump not acting like the dictator you assume he is.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- I would never have allowed the global health response team within the NSC to be disbanded, not in the age of global travel and the new array of viruses we have been seeing. The last pandemic was only 10 years ago. No he did not Disband the NSC Global health response team he moved them to a different department keeping them at the ready in order that they would not be sitting there doing nothing. they were there and ready to be used when this hit.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- Adopted a "the buck stops here" posture - it is the mark of a leader who is taking charge. "Not my fault" is the whine of a toddler. Sorry it is China who lied for months and is still lying to detract from their responsibility. Trump was just telling the truth about their lack of candor about the virus months ago and you can't handle truth can you
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post- Used a declaration of national emergency to ensure that ALL tests would be free to those taking them. At present, they are only free to those with insurance, AFAIK. hmm maybe because it is not needed I've been seeing tweets and others news that shows that there are those in the private sector willing to do just that. You are still complaining because Trump is not acting like the Dictator you assume him to be.
Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostYou mean the same Democrats that said his travel ban on those coming from China was not necessary? You mean the same Democrats that complained about the Task force Trump put in place in January because it was not diverse enough. You mean Democrat Joe Biden the democrat who listed everything Trump was doing at the time and said that is what he would do except for closing the borders when he was asked what he would do? give me a break the Democrats weren't calling for the actions Trump took weeks before he did them they were decrying him for taking the virus seriously enough to try and get ahead of it to bad the Chicoms lied for months before that January 30th WHO announcement when it would have done some good.
And the "the Chinese lied" narrative simply does not serve as an adequate excuse for Trump's mismanagement, IMO.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIt's ridiculous that someone powerful like Rand Paul was able to be tested out of "caution" despite having no symptoms, yet a friend of mine who has met every symptom and with a high fever for over a week was refused a test at a doctor's office, and at every other doctor's office they called in their own metro area. (Interestingly, the doctor who refused to test her still refused to speak with her without a mask.)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostUnfortunately this sort of stuff will always happen: How Are the Rich and Famous Jumping the Test Queues? In England, by Paying $425. Although at that price it sounds like even those in the Middle and Working class could do it as well.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI had shots for the flu back in October; of course, shots only protect from a singular flu strain. I never had a sore throat with this one, just the "tickle" that kept me coughing.
But your affliction is similar enough and early enough to where I am second guessing now. Maybe it was a secondary flu.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostBut what's ridiculous in this scenario is the tests don't help the privileged at all. If anything, they get ostracized and quarantined while sick poorer folks are going to the beach or eating out. The privileged aren't getting a cure.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostBut what's ridiculous in this scenario is the tests don't help the privileged at all. If anything, they get ostracized and quarantined while sick poorer folks are going to the beach or eating out. The privileged aren't getting a cure.Last edited by JimL; 03-22-2020, 05:49 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe point of getting tested is to better understand what's going on, and how best to contain the virus from being spread.
For now until testing capabilities improve*, if your illness is not serious, don't call to ask for a test. You don't get any special treatment even if you test positive, you don't get the test anyway, and they get too many calls as it is.
*depends on which country you're in. A few countries have enough testsLast edited by demi-conservative; 03-22-2020, 05:58 PM.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostThe US and most countries don't have enough test kits at the moment to meet current patient needs, better understanding of what's going on has to wait.
For now until testing capabilities improve*, if your illness is not serious, don't call to ask for a test. You don't get any special treatment even if you test positive, you don't get the test anyway, and they get too many calls as it is.
*depends on which country you're in. A few countries have enough tests
And yes, steps could have been taken sooner (e.g., permitting state labs to act independently sooner than 3/16, validating and promoting the German protocols, leveraging the funds available through a national emergency declaration and the powers accessible through the Defense Production Act). Trump and his administration are a day late and a dollar short, and the only defense being offered is "what about the other countries?" or "what about Obama?" or "Those nasty Chinese lied to us."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostI had shots for the flu back in October; of course, shots only protect from a singular flu strain. I never had a sore throat with this one, just the "tickle" that kept me coughing.
But your affliction is similar enough and early enough to where I am second guessing now. Maybe it was a secondary flu.
Most of the sore throat was due to "post nasal drip" that was thicker than old honey and seemed to be caustic as battery acid. From what I've read online, sore throats are common with colds, but not with flu. Whatever. Those symptom lists never account for all individual variations.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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