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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYep - I read it. I stand by my observation: they covered up and they mismanaged. There is nothing here that says "knowingly sent to the U.S." or even implies it. You are adding that interpretation to the article.
I noticed you also cut out and did not respond to the first part of my post.
2009 swine flu pandemic originated in Mexico, researchers discover
The 2009 swine H1N1 flu pandemic -- responsible for more than 17,000 deaths worldwide -- originated in pigs from a very small region in central Mexico, a research team headed by investigators at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai is reporting.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0627160935.htmAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Jim, when was the last time the US knowingly sent a deadly virus to the rest of the world?
US citizens have carried this same virus into other countries, just as Chinese citizens carried this virus to other countries. Indeed, some of our own citizens also brought this same virus into this country from China!
And - indeed for the same reason - a government's attempt to play it down and government agency mistakes acting on it.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 03-20-2020, 11:29 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo allowing it to spread to other countries with full knowledge is not 'knowingly sent?' And what point were you making in the part I deleted? Are you denying that the Swine flu originated in Mexico?
2009 swine flu pandemic originated in Mexico, researchers discover
The 2009 swine H1N1 flu pandemic -- responsible for more than 17,000 deaths worldwide -- originated in pigs from a very small region in central Mexico, a research team headed by investigators at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai is reporting.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0627160935.htm
So what we know, from this article, is:
- China mismanaged their outbreak
- China suppressed news about the outbreak
- China denied the outbreak was a serious issue
- China jailed people who attempted to whistleblow
As a result, the outbreak spread. What we do not know is that they "knowingly sent it to the U.S."
But then again...
- Trump mismanaged the outbreak
- Trump made false announcements about the outbreak - spreading disinformation at a critical time, and tried to classify information related to the outbreak
- Trump denied the outbreak was a serious issue for weeks - and his lackeys/base parroted him
- Trump did NOT jail anyone that I know of.
What the heck, 3 out of 4 ain't bad...
And who knows how many people have been infected, including people who traveled to other countries from the U.S., because of Trump's choices...?
And this horse has been adequately beaten. I have offered all of the arguments I have, and now I am repeating myself. I leave you to your opinions and the last word.
ETA: I neglected to respond to the second part of your post. The new source you provided is MUCH better than Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, it is legit and I hold it in higher regard than abcnews. I accept that the flu started in Mexico, and thank you for providing the better data.Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-20-2020, 11:30 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostChina did not 'send' this virus into the world seer. But US citizens have carried this same virus into other countries, just as Chinese citizens did. And for the same reason - a governments attempt to play it down.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostChina did not 'send' this virus into the world seer. But US citizens have carried this same virus into other countries, just as Chinese citizens did. And for the same reason - a governments attempt to play it down.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is a difference between a person named "Guido" (and why any Italian mother would so name their child I will never know) and "guido" used as an ethnic slur, as you did.
Guido is a slang term for a lower-class or working-class urban Italian American. The guido stereotype is multi-faceted. Originally, it was used as a demeaning term for Italian Americans in general. More recently, it has come to refer to Italian Americans who conduct themselves in a thuggish, overtly macho manner.
https://www.definitions.net/definition/GUIDO
You can also look at both of these, which tell the same story:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=guido
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_(slang)
Most (all?) Italians I know, which includes my entire extended family on my wife's side, would not take kindly to being called a "guido." Out of curiosity, I pinged several of them this morning and asked how they would react/respond to be called "guido." The response was pretty strongly in the negative across the board. But I am not surprised that you both use it (unnecessarily) and defend its use. As I predicted...
I'll leave the last word to you. Bigotry discussions on this forum are largely pointless.
And I already explained why I called him Guido in case you missed it. Or are you deliberately ignoring that so you can continue to feign outrage?
I'm always still in trouble again
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"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are SO much more succinct than I...My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Jim, China could have shut down air travel weeks before they did - so they knowingly did this - period. And no the US was not knowingly allowing our citizens to infect other countries.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are SO much more succinct than I..."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostPlease show where I called him "a guido" rather than "Guido"
And I already explained why I called him Guido in case you missed it. Or are you deliberately ignoring that so you can continue to feign outrage?
No - I saw it. Mistakenly using a slur doesn't mean you didn't use it, Rogue. And all I have seen since your post is a defense of it. All of this could have been solved with a simple "I used the wrong word - my bad. I did not intend to use an ethnic slur and apologize for any offense it may have caused." But no - defend and protect and justify.
For the record, I'm not personally offended. I'm not Italian. My wife may be, but I'll let her defend herself. I simply pointed out that inserting the ethnic slur into the name was unnecessary and only intended to insult. Even if you change it to Fredo, that doesn't change. You apparently like to insult. So be it...
Now - I'm done - whether or not you ask another question. The original insertion was more than likely an act of trolling, and I fell right into it. 'Nuff said.Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-20-2020, 11:50 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI don't know how much the Chinese government is paying you and ox but whatever it is, you should ask for a raise!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postwell ... I was. I couldn't resist the urge to expand my response a bit ...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postseer - there is not point in this beyond what has already been said. It is foolish of you to take this tack of trying to lay blame. It serves no purpose.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postseer - there is not point in this beyond what has already been said. It is foolish of you to take this tack of trying to lay blame. It serves no purpose.
The Chinese are 100% to blame to the pandemic and whether they intentionally spread the disease or not is largely immaterial at this point. It is their fault and it's bizarre anyone would try to absolve them of their culpability.
I know you probably have quotas to meet to earn your yuan but try to put more effort into your arguments."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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