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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs the deaths due to gun violence has climbed, the call for tighter gun controls has also increased. Although I used to be a moderate on this issue, I have now become far left - mostly thanks to you and those like you here and on other fora. I now believe the 2nd Amendment should be repealed and replaced with an amendment that recognizes gun ownership as a responsibility to be earned rather than a right to be protected. And I believe guns should be forcefully taken (if necessary) from those who will not comply with reasonable gun controls, among which I include universal background checks, required gun safes (or other gun locking mechanism), training/certification for use, a limitation on magazine capacity, and a national gun registration database.
We are permitting an army of fanatics to arm themselves in our midst. Something needs to be done about it. Every protesters that shows up to a "peaceful protest" armed further demonstrates that need.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat other right needs to be "earned?"Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat other right needs to be "earned?" And the fact that people like you want to repeal the the 2nd Amendment just proves that those on my side have are on the right track. And firearm deaths were higher in the 70s, 80s and 90s so why are you getting your panties in a bunch now? https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-1970/
Yes, like the Minutemen showing up in Concord...
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat other right needs to be "earned?"
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd the fact that people like you want to repeal the the 2nd Amendment just proves that those on my side have are on the right track. And firearm deaths were higher in the 70s, 80s and 90s so why are you getting your panties in a bunch now? https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-1970/
Originally posted by seer View PostYes, like the Minutemen showing up in Concord...
ETA: I'm not going to engage in this discussion further, for two reasons: 1) This thread is not devoted to this subject and 2) minds here are firmly closed to any suggestion that we need to do something about out-of-control guns in this country, so this is not the venue in which to have a reasoned discussion. I'll leave you all to it.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-07-2020, 12:49 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs the deaths due to gun violence has climbed, the call for tighter gun controls has also increased. Although I used to be a moderate on this issue, I have now become far left - mostly thanks to you and those like you here and on other fora. I now believe the 2nd Amendment should be repealed and replaced with an amendment that recognizes gun ownership as a responsibility to be earned rather than a right to be protected. And I believe guns should be forcefully taken (if necessary) from those who will not comply with reasonable gun controls, among which I include universal background checks, required gun safes (or other gun locking mechanism), training/certification for use, a limitation on magazine capacity, and a national gun registration database.
We are permitting an army of fanatics to arm themselves in our midst. Something needs to be done about it. Every protesters that shows up to a "peaceful protest" armed further demonstrates that need.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe risks of crazies and criminals with guns far outweighs the benefit of a population armed with rifles and pistols in a modern war of the scale required to pose a serious threat to the US mainland.Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-07-2020, 01:12 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat other right needs to be "earned?" And the fact that people like you want to repeal the the 2nd Amendment just proves that those on my side have are on the right track. And firearm deaths were higher in the 70s, 80s and 90s so why are you getting your panties in a bunch now? https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-1970/
Yes, like the Minutemen showing up in Concord...
How long will it be before someone suggests that we put up "Coronavirus Free Zone" signs up as a way of combating the disease.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNone. Owning a gun is not a right.
I have always been concerned about the level of gun violence in our country. Further, gun ownership cannot be shown to be instrumental in the change you cite. You have correlation without causation. In the same intervening period, there have been significant changes in law enforcement, rehabilitation efforts, social norms, and a wide variety of factors impacting society as a whole.
I promise not to object to folks wielding flint-locks in the absence of a national army to repel a foreign power.
ETA: I'm not going to engage in this discussion further, for two reasons: 1) This thread is not devoted to this subject and 2) minds here are firmly closed to any suggestion that we need to do something about out-of-control guns in this country, so this is not the venue in which to have a reasoned discussion. I'll leave you all to it.Last edited by seer; 05-07-2020, 02:19 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'm not quite as far left as you on this, but I do favor some of the more common sense suggestions that are routinely shot down by people that would prefer to risk facing a madman with an AK47 over the risk they might be identified as person not deserving gun ownership. I also believe that we are way past the usefulness of the 2nd amendment as it is dealt with today. The risks of crazies and criminals with guns far outweighs the benefit of a population armed with rifles and pistols in a modern war of the scale required to pose a serious threat to the US mainland.
Part of me wants to encourage that language to continue. Perhaps if more people were pushed from a moderate position to a more extreme position, we might actually finally make progress.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI didn't use to be far left at all. I used to be quite moderate, arguing for universal background checks, red flag laws, a national database, and limitations on magazines as reasonable compromises that would let anyone own guns as they desired while providing means for protecting the populace.
It was in a discussion here (and on other sites) when several people suggested that those who own guns would happily use them against their fellow citizens if their "right" was in any way compromised that I became "radicalized" and convinced that we have been allowing an unstable part of our population to arm themselves in our midst.
Part of me wants to encourage that language to continue. Perhaps if more people were pushed from a moderate position to a more extreme position, we might actually finally make progress.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThey guys here call that 'super liberal'
I had some some relatives that were gun-toting white nationalists by today's terminology. I would listen to them talk, and enjoyed some good times shooting with them, but rejected everything they stood for in that arena. I also had a nasty incident when I was a kid where but for the grace of God I'd have likely killed a cousin of mine after finding a gun I thought was not loaded. It was my dad's stern instruction "Always treat a gun like it's loaded" that saved me and him. Since then I've never felt quite the same about guns, though I still enjoy shooting them.
I'm not sure what will make US gun aficionado's accept restrictions. Seems the ones that have publicly changed their minds lost someone in a gun accident or to a criminal that obtained the gun through one of the gaping loopholes in our gun laws.
Someone recently told me, "insisting on rights without consideration of responsibilities is not freedom - it's adolescence!" I find that sentiment fitting here. And guns in the hands of adolescents is pretty darned frightening.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMission defeated. On to the next screw-up.
So, by all means, let's just open back up. We only have about 77,000 dead, most of whom died in the last six weeks. Maybe if we work really hard, we can make it 150,000 by late June? What an accomplishment - and I'm sure Mr. Trump will be happy to take all the credit. After all, it's no worse than the flu, right?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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