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Originally posted by Doofus View PostTag me in, ox! My turn to take the moron to school!
Originally posted by Doofus View PostSo they admit they use a guesstimate (a guesstimate meant to scare people into getting flu shots which more often cause "flu" than prevent it), but their actual numbers are exponentially lower than their guesstimates. I smell fakery afoot!
Is this even worth correcting? Are you really not aware that there is an entire discipline called "statistical analysis" where statisticians who are good at this sort of thing use known data to make extremely accurate predictions and estimates, and that this is a valid and accepted scientific process?
Should I explain that to you? Or will you just run off whooping and hollering about the latest "Aliens invaded my brain, and they're in cahoots with the government!" conspiracy theory?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd then without a hint of irony or self-awareness, you go on to say...
And you call me a moron.
Is this even worth correcting? Are you really not aware that there is an entire discipline called "statistical analysis" where statisticians who are good at this sort of thing use known data to make extremely accurate predictions and estimates, and that this is a valid and accepted scientific process?
Should I explain that to you? Or will you just run off whooping and hollering about the latest "Aliens invaded my brain, and they're in cahoots with the government!" conspiracy theory?
The reason this hasn't spiraled out of control, yet, is because countries have shut down entire provinces. Saying it's not that bad, after all that has been done to stop it becoming that bad makes you look like a fool, which, frankly, you are. Your retard arguments don't cut it - the analysis has been done, the R0 is much higher than the flu, so unless this is stopped up to 70% of Germans will become infected.
We don't need another flu-like virus to circulate, especially one that could mutate into something much worse. Stopping this is a priority.
While we can't stop you being a • Edited by a Moderator •, we can hope that you wash your hands after scratching your fat-• Edited by a Moderator •.
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Originally posted by Zero View PostYo, dumbo. It's time to shut your pie-hole. This is well above your pay-grade and so far above your level of intelligence that your input is unwelcome. Your callous disregard for your fellow man is pathetic.
The reason this hasn't spiraled out of control, yet, is because countries have shut down entire provinces. Saying it's not that bad, after all that has been done to stop it becoming that bad makes you look like a fool, which, frankly, you are. Your retard arguments don't cut it - the analysis has been done, the R0 is much higher than the flu, so unless this is stopped up to 70% of Germans will become infected.
We don't need another flu-like virus to circulate, especially one that could mutate into something much worse. Stopping this is a priority.
While we can't stop you being a • Edited by a Moderator •, we can hope that you wash your hands after scratching your fat-[beep].
Go read the article I posted earlier, where around 3000 people were trapped on a cruise ship, a worst case scenario, and only 6 died, all in their 80s. The real-world mortality rate for COVID-19 is likely less than 1%.
But you go ahead attack me with your impotent insults if it makes you feel better. And for the record, I'm lean and healthy. It comes from eating well and staying active.Last edited by Cerebrum123; 03-12-2020, 12:26 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSomebody done got triggered, y'all!
Go read the article I posted earlier, where around 3000 people were trapped on a cruise ship, a worst case scenario, and only 6 died, all in their 80s. The real-world mortality rate for COVID-19 is likely less than 1%.
But you go ahead attack me with your impotent insults if it makes you feel better. And for the record, I'm lean and healthy. It comes from eating well and staying active.
Even if it has a mortality rate of less than 1%, which is not established, with 70% of the population projected to be infected, from models, if it gets out of control in the first place - ~1 of 70% of 7.5 billion is not a small number - with many countries in no way prepared.
If it becomes seasonal like the other five corno-viruses that cause the cold- for decades, and decades and decades, that is a problem, one that might kill you. Immunity, assuming you survive the first round, is not forever.
The medical establishment and governments are worried enough to stop the virus. I'll take their word over yours.
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Originally posted by Zero View PostWell, that's good, here was me thinking your heart problems were a result of a poor diet.
As for facts and figures, keep in mind that the 0.8% estimate is based on a worst case scenario situation. Go back and read the article I posted if you want the particulars.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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The annual Electronic Entertainment Expo (also known as E3) has been cancelled because of coronavirus fears. Now here's the strange part: E3 happens in June, which is many months after the flu season, so why are they cancelling it now? Some are saying that with the internet and video conferencing that E3 has outlived its usefulness anyway, and that the organizers are looking for a way to gracefully exit a conference that's not as profitable as it used to be, and "We're cancelling for your own good" sounds more altruistic than "We're cancelling because we're losing money".
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3.../1100-6474647/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat cat is already out of the bag. They are now just trying to mitigate the spread and slow it down. "Flatten the curve" is what the CDC guy said yesterday, so that the number of cases is spread out instead of spiking all at once and overwhelming the hospitals.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMaybe if you had bothered to actually read the posts you're referring to, you would have noticed that my bad valve was a birth defect and was entirely unrelated to any lifestyle choices.
As for facts and figures, keep in mind that the 0.8% estimate is based on a worst case scenario situation. Go back and read the article I posted if you want the particulars.
The death rate is still an unknown, however, it is likely to be higher than the flu. 0.8% is pretty nasty. Not only people in their 80s die.
The flu is already an expensive problem. We don't want another flu-like illness with a higher R0 and higher mortality rate to add to the collection of problems. This is aside from the current complete lack of immunity to this virus, suggesting up to 70% of Germans may be infected according to their models.
Your heart valve replacement is lucky, for you.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, it's the end of the world.
I bet you're not even aware that the seasonal flu reached pandemic levels during the 2018 season, yet we didn't see this kind of hysteria.
I'm going to do exactly what I do every year around this time: take sensible precautions and continue with my life. I suggest you skip the Chicken Little routine and do the same.
In Italy they are having to make decisions like we only have one ventilator available and this fellow is old and unlikely to survive - we will not treat them because this other person is younger and more likely to survive.
That is where it is in Italy with 12000 cases.
And that is where we will be in less than two months if we do not act and we do not aggressively test and quarantine any found to be carrying the virus.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThis is a disease that kills 8 to 20x what the flu does...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Controlling it is important, but panicking helps no one. What's a good way to protect vulnerable people from getting the virus? Not letting anyone with contact with the virus visit? Quarantine in hot spot areas? What about groups where a two week quarantine is impractical? I just think we should be rational and not panic.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostControlling it is important, but panicking helps no one. What's a good way to protect vulnerable people from getting the virus? Not letting anyone with contact with the virus visit? Quarantine in hot spot areas? What about groups where a two week quarantine is impractical? I just think we should be rational and not panic."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere is good information indicating that these kinds of claims are wildly exaggerated.
The best situation we have is S. Korea. Their mortality is .8%. Flu mortality is .1% These are the numbers - do the math.
S. Korea: 60/7755 = .0077 = .8%
Italy: 847/12462 = .067 = 6.7%
Italy is almost 7% and they are in full on lock down with the doctors having to make life and death decisions about who to treat. This is real.
This DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH THE FLU! Stop listening to idiots.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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