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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostAnd attitudes like that is one reason why we created gods. To be a good human being, some people need both a fear factor and a reward.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think that any atheist who is brutally honest with himself would have to agree with King Solomon that any pleasures one finds in life are ultimately vain, like chasing after the wind.
If atheism is true, then it makes no difference, in the end, how a man chooses to live his life, because everybody will suffer the exact same fate.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEven if I accept that as true for the sake of argument, it doesn't challenge anything I've said.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd once you accept that premise, you must necessarily accept that what we do while we're alive really doesn't matter. It makes no difference if we live like Mother Theresa or Hillary Clinton, the universe will end exactly the same.
Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd attitudes like that is one reason why we created gods. To be a good human being, some people need both a fear factor and a reward.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostRight, ultimately how you lived your life doesn't matter, since ultimately you'll be dead. How you live can only matter to you, or not matter, while you're alive.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAtheism is the default position . . .Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBegging the question.
But worst of all, studies in cognitive science seem to indicate that we're hardwired to believe in "supernatural" stuff such as God/gods and the continuation of consciousness after death. Jesse Bering, director of the Institute of Cognition and Culture at the Queen's University, Belfast, who is an atheist, concludes in an article in the Guardian:
For further information and sources I recommend the following video by InspiringPhilosophy, where he argues, and demonstrates that belief in God, or gods, seem to be natural, intuitive, and the default position of the vast majority of the world's population, and that the belief that the world was created, as is, and with a purpose forms naturally from a very early age in a child's mind:
He also cites Justin L. Barrett (Ph.D in experimental psychology), in the video, who notes:
The part in italics wasn't included in the video, but I thought it was interesting, so I added it. Emphasis mine.
So in short, not only is he begging the question, most of the data from the cognitive sciences directly contradict the "atheism is the default position"-hypothesis and shows instead that belief in deities/a Deity forms naturally and as a result of normal cognitive development in the human mind, so not only is theism a far better candidate for the "default position", it doesn't fulfill the criterion to be classified as a delusional belief either.
Lastly, InspiringPhilosophy also uploaded a response to objections to the video embedded above, so for convenience I'll embed the response video below:
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"But as the data mounts, it is becoming clear that even atheists experience the vague sense that they are here for a preconceived purpose, that their minds are endless, that there are inherent moral truths, and that the nonhuman world employs human justice."
C.S. Lewis made a similar argument decades ago, something to the effect of "If a god doesn't exist, then why do humans have such a strong sense of what we ought not to do?"Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"But as the data mounts, it is becoming clear that even atheists experience the vague sense that they are here for a preconceived purpose, that their minds are endless, that there are inherent moral truths, and that the nonhuman world employs human justice."
C.S. Lewis made a similar argument decades ago, something to the effect of "If a god doesn't exist, then why do humans have such a strong sense of what we ought not to do?"
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Originally posted by Zara View PostThe bigger problem are the large number of people, around 50%, that live pay-check to pay-check, and lack an emergency fund and must work because they don't have sick days as part of their contract - who will continue to work even if they are ill. Many also lack access to healthcare because they can't afford the excess - so will die or create emergency room overload.
The problem for us is that if it gets out of control in the US, which it probably will because of your awful system, you're going to export the problem, like you export your terrible filth of a culture.
I am betting that the countries with socialized medicine will have a much larger overload problem than the US because they are already overloaded from their normal operational status. That's why they have to wait in line for several months to get a routine lab test done.
But my point was that the homeless problem in LA and other large California cities will quickly spread the disease is because they live on the street in close proximity to each other, without any means of washing or quarantine. And they are in direct contact with the rest of the public who have to walk down the same streets. They are already having disease outbreaks of diseases thought extinct, like the plague.
I agree that much of our culture is filth. Hollywood, also in California, puts out some of the vilest trash there is.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostSpreading like wildfire? Not even in your dreams JimL. From the CDC website:
US numbers are low because they have not tested to any useful degree.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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