Coronavirus Outbreak...

[Mountain Man]

I did not do that. South Korea, Japan and Germany have very large densely populated cities like the USA.

Yes, but they're smaller countries geographically with more concentrated populations. You're not comparing apples-to-apples.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, it would appear that certain state governments were unprepared for something like this. Curiously, its Democrat controlled states that appears to have been hit the hardest. 7 of the top 10 states are run by Democrat governors, 4 of them in the top 5, and the top 2 states, New York and New Jersey, account for nearly half of all China flu cases in the US. New York also has the most deaths attributed to the China flu at around 20,000, which is say that New York alone has nearly as many deaths as some of the hardest hit European countries, and four times the number of deaths as the the next state on the list which is New Jersey at around 5000. Next is Michigan which is half again at around 2,700.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...tate-breakdown

The real factual story is population density . . .

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2020/04/23/the-us-states-with-the-greatest-risk-of-exposure-to-covid-19-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#32a5278d70ab

The US States With The Greatest Risk Of Exposure To COVID-19 Ranked From Worst To Best

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See table at end of article.

[Starlight]

Yes, like I said, comparing the US as a whole to smaller, less densely populated countries is disingenuous, especially when our country's government is structured to place the power in the hands of the states.

It's sad you don't believe in your country. You don't believe it can do what other countries can. Apparently you don't think the US is number 1, apparently you don't seem to even think it's number 10.

And your excuses don't even make any sense. South Korea and Japan are "[not] densely populated"??? Canada and Australia are "smaller countries geographically"???

My own country has the population of an average US state. If we can do something, surely any of your states can do the same? Or don't you believe in America?

[simplicio]

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My own country has the population of an average US state. If we can do something, surely any of your states can do the same? Or don't you believe in America?

New York State statistics are interesting but frustrating to pull out, the vast majority of the problems are downstate, much of upstate is hardly touched. Some nursing homes upstate are untouched (but have a low perceived quality of care) while the next one has a significant number of cases and spread. Overall upstate is doing well, but it had a couple of weeks of watching things unfold in New York City.

New York is trying to assess how widespread it is. 20% of NYC has antibodies, some counties about 4%, average is 14%. I have to admit that I do not really know what to make of it. I also don't know if other states have done this. But I do know that other countries have.

[shunyadragon]

Yes, but they're smaller countries geographically with more concentrated populations. You're not comparing apples-to-apples.

Actually no, based on the reference I provided the population density is one of if not the dominant factor for the spread of the flu, number of cases, and fatality rate. Did you read the reference? It applies world wide. The only other factor that had a direct relationship was the percent of the age of the elderly and vulnerable population. Did you read my reference on this.

I have studied panemics for many years, and guess what if you look at the map of the H1N1 1918-1920 pandemic and the map for COVID 19 pandemic they are very similar the dominance of the pandemic was directly related to population densities and major travel patterns. I may post the reference to the maps if I can find them again.

It is not the size of the country by the evidence as cited, it is the density of the populations and the travel patterns that determine the percentage of the cases and fatalities. By the evidence the virus does not know boundaries between small countries and big countries, and it does not join political parties.

[Roy]

Just say the absolute dumbest thing you can think of, and somewhere there will be a liberal vigorously nodding his head in sincere agreement.

IT was the federal government's responsibility to lead in this and to provide both national guidelines and drive the development and production of testing capability and supplies...

Yes, and they've done that. What the federal government can't do is micromanage individual states where the governors, Democrats in particular, have apparently dropped the ball.

Perhaps somewhere a liberal is nodding their head.

[Roy]

Other nations like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, Japan and Germany took national responsibility to deal with a national crisis.

Yes, like I said, comparing the US as a whole to smaller, less densely populated countries is disingenuous, especially when our country's government is structured to place the power in the hands of the states.

Congratulations on winning the Lilpix geographical ignorance award.

I did not do that. South Korea, Japan and Germany have very large densely populated cities like the USA.

Yes, but they're smaller countries geographically with more concentrated populations. You're not comparing apples-to-apples.

And also the Lilpix pretend-you-said-something-completely-different award too! You're on a roll.

[simplicio]

Perhaps somewhere a liberal is nodding their head.

You....You.... You liberal, atheist, anti capitalist.

Trump has directed the federal government to buy PPE and medical supplies like ventilators and distribute them where they are needed. Not only that, but he has done it in a way which guarantees sharp profit margin increases along the supply chain. The Trump business acumen allowed states to bid against each other to run up prices.

The socialist liberals want the federal government to take the lead and coordinate buying across the country, thereby decreasing the potential for profit. Profit is good for the country, a rising tide lifts all boats.

[shunyadragon]

Perhaps somewhere a liberal is nodding their head.

MMis hanging out on the dashboard and nodding his head and qlowing in the dark.

[seer]

Lost a friend of 60 years Tuesday to COVID, rest in peace Norm...

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[shunyadragon]

There are distinct differences in the percentage of the population in different countries and regions that have been infected by COVID 19: (1) the traffic pattern of humanity shows how the spread hit certain ares first, such as large cities where particularly travel from the Orient was dominant. (2) The percentage of the elderly and vulnerable population. Northern Italy has the probably the highest percentage of elderly and vulnerable in the world, and it had the highest percentage of cases and fatalities. (3) The health of the elderly population, with the Orient has the healthiest elderly population.

There is the 'other' more controversial cause of the percentage of the population infected by the COVID 19 Virus, and that is the long term regional 'herd immunity' and co-evolution of the host population and the virus in the endemic source region or country of origin. I posted a research article before that documented the coevolution immunity in regional population. These factors do possible explain some of the differences in the percentage of infection rates in different regions and countries of th world.

[carpedm9587]

Lost a friend of 60 years Tuesday to COVID, rest in peace Norm...

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My condolences, Seer.

[carpedm9587]

I would love it if someone could explain to me why we are seeing so many calls to restart the economy based on the claim that we have "flattened the curve." Although we have significantly bent the logarithmic curve for infections as well as deaths, the linear curve is still a straight line with a steep slope. We have seen an average of almost 30,000 new cases every day for the last two weeks with little sign of slow down. Yesterday was 37,725 new confirmed cases. During that same period we have seen an average of almost 2,400 deaths each day, again with little sign of abatement. Yesterday was 2,577. On 911, 2977 people lost their lives, not including the highjackers. This means for the last 14 days we have had over 80% of a 911-scale event every single day!

How on earth can anyone be arguing "we're ready to re-open the economy?"


ETA: BTW, in the worst flu season we see 339 deaths per day if they are averaged over the entire flu season, and about 1,017 per day if we consolidate the deaths to the two-month peak of the season. The current rate of deaths is 2.4 times that rate. The latest models I saw said 66,000 deaths by August. Unless there is a downturn soon, we'll hit that number in 7 days.

[oxmixmudd]

We (the United States) are adding about 14,000 dead per week, and it is holding steady for now. If we do not see a true turn down we will reach 100,000 dead by mid-May.

Opening up early will make that a reality, or get us there sooner.

[carpedm9587]

We (the United States) are adding about 14,000 dead per week, and it is holding steady for now. If we do not see a true turn down we will reach 100,000 dead by mid-May.

Opening up early will make that a reality, or get us there sooner.

And will likely push the number higher thereafter by ushering in the "second wave."

Predicted net result: the economy will be locked down longer with greater damage done than if we were to be more circumspect now. And that will give countries that are managing this well an opportunity to leap back into the global economy ahead of us, further harming our economic recovery.

I also don't get why the media is hyping these protests so much. Over 80% of the U.S. favors the lock downs. A few days ago a couple of white supremacists (who were responsible for publicly harassing a politician here and driving her out of office) initiated a protest against the lock-down in Vermont. Fewer than 30 people showed up at the state house, but you would have thought that a protest of major significance had happened instead of a few nut cases screaming "government intrusion."