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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, it would appear that certain state governments were unprepared for something like this. Curiously, its Democrat controlled states that appears to have been hit the hardest. 7 of the top 10 states are run by Democrat governors, 4 of them in the top 5, and the top 2 states, New York and New Jersey, account for nearly half of all China flu cases in the US. New York also has the most deaths attributed to the China flu at around 20,000, which is say that New York alone has nearly as many deaths as some of the hardest hit European countries, and four times the number of deaths as the the next state on the list which is New Jersey at around 5000. Next is Michigan which is half again at around 2,700.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...tate-breakdown
See table at end of article.Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-23-2020, 03:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, like I said, comparing the US as a whole to smaller, less densely populated countries is disingenuous, especially when our country's government is structured to place the power in the hands of the states.
And your excuses don't even make any sense. South Korea and Japan are "[not] densely populated"??? Canada and Australia are "smaller countries geographically"???
My own country has the population of an average US state. If we can do something, surely any of your states can do the same? Or don't you believe in America?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post....................
My own country has the population of an average US state. If we can do something, surely any of your states can do the same? Or don't you believe in America?
New York is trying to assess how widespread it is. 20% of NYC has antibodies, some counties about 4%, average is 14%. I have to admit that I do not really know what to make of it. I also don't know if other states have done this. But I do know that other countries have.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, but they're smaller countries geographically with more concentrated populations. You're not comparing apples-to-apples.
I have studied panemics for many years, and guess what if you look at the map of the H1N1 1918-1920 pandemic and the map for COVID 19 pandemic they are very similar the dominance of the pandemic was directly related to population densities and major travel patterns. I may post the reference to the maps if I can find them again.
It is not the size of the country by the evidence as cited, it is the density of the populations and the travel patterns that determine the percentage of the cases and fatalities. By the evidence the virus does not know boundaries between small countries and big countries, and it does not join political parties.Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-23-2020, 09:51 PM.
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Originally posted by Mountain ManJust say the absolute dumbest thing you can think of, and somewhere there will be a liberal vigorously nodding his head in sincere agreement.Originally posted by Mountain ManIT was the federal government's responsibility to lead in this and to provide both national guidelines and drive the development and production of testing capability and supplies...Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOther nations like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, Japan and Germany took national responsibility to deal with a national crisis.I did not do that. South Korea, Japan and Germany have very large densely populated cities like the USA.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostPerhaps somewhere a liberal is nodding their head.
Trump has directed the federal government to buy PPE and medical supplies like ventilators and distribute them where they are needed. Not only that, but he has done it in a way which guarantees sharp profit margin increases along the supply chain. The Trump business acumen allowed states to bid against each other to run up prices.
The socialist liberals want the federal government to take the lead and coordinate buying across the country, thereby decreasing the potential for profit. Profit is good for the country, a rising tide lifts all boats.
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Lost a friend of 60 years Tuesday to COVID, rest in peace Norm...
94253064_2916314045071473_3630186210611167232_o.jpgAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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There are distinct differences in the percentage of the population in different countries and regions that have been infected by COVID 19: (1) the traffic pattern of humanity shows how the spread hit certain ares first, such as large cities where particularly travel from the Orient was dominant. (2) The percentage of the elderly and vulnerable population. Northern Italy has the probably the highest percentage of elderly and vulnerable in the world, and it had the highest percentage of cases and fatalities. (3) The health of the elderly population, with the Orient has the healthiest elderly population.
There is the 'other' more controversial cause of the percentage of the population infected by the COVID 19 Virus, and that is the long term regional 'herd immunity' and co-evolution of the host population and the virus in the endemic source region or country of origin. I posted a research article before that documented the coevolution immunity in regional population. These factors do possible explain some of the differences in the percentage of infection rates in different regions and countries of th world.
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Originally posted by seer View PostLost a friend of 60 years Tuesday to COVID, rest in peace Norm...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]44196[/ATTACH]The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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I would love it if someone could explain to me why we are seeing so many calls to restart the economy based on the claim that we have "flattened the curve." Although we have significantly bent the logarithmic curve for infections as well as deaths, the linear curve is still a straight line with a steep slope. We have seen an average of almost 30,000 new cases every day for the last two weeks with little sign of slow down. Yesterday was 37,725 new confirmed cases. During that same period we have seen an average of almost 2,400 deaths each day, again with little sign of abatement. Yesterday was 2,577. On 911, 2977 people lost their lives, not including the highjackers. This means for the last 14 days we have had over 80% of a 911-scale event every single day!
How on earth can anyone be arguing "we're ready to re-open the economy?"
ETA: BTW, in the worst flu season we see 339 deaths per day if they are averaged over the entire flu season, and about 1,017 per day if we consolidate the deaths to the two-month peak of the season. The current rate of deaths is 2.4 times that rate. The latest models I saw said 66,000 deaths by August. Unless there is a downturn soon, we'll hit that number in 7 days.Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-24-2020, 11:19 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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We (the United States) are adding about 14,000 dead per week, and it is holding steady for now. If we do not see a true turn down we will reach 100,000 dead by mid-May.
Opening up early will make that a reality, or get us there sooner.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWe (the United States) are adding about 14,000 dead per week, and it is holding steady for now. If we do not see a true turn down we will reach 100,000 dead by mid-May.
Opening up early will make that a reality, or get us there sooner.
Predicted net result: the economy will be locked down longer with greater damage done than if we were to be more circumspect now. And that will give countries that are managing this well an opportunity to leap back into the global economy ahead of us, further harming our economic recovery.
I also don't get why the media is hyping these protests so much. Over 80% of the U.S. favors the lock downs. A few days ago a couple of white supremacists (who were responsible for publicly harassing a politician here and driving her out of office) initiated a protest against the lock-down in Vermont. Fewer than 30 people showed up at the state house, but you would have thought that a protest of major significance had happened instead of a few nut cases screaming "government intrusion."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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