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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostOr maybe, getting a straight answer out of you is like trying to nail jello to a wall.
Have a good one!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostEver the artful dodger...My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostIt appears you still have not understood that your approach is contradictory...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is a list by Genocide Watch of the 10 stages of Genocide. My assessment is that Trump is at Stage 6. I'd be curious to know where you put him.
Note...being at Stage 6 does not necessarily mean you are going to Stage 10. But it does mean you have begun to create an environment that makes Stage 10 more likely.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'd say 5 or 6, That is scary .. especially wrt immigration and immigrants.
That you seriously think we're halfway to becoming another Nazi Germany, let alone that we're even anywhere close to being on the path, reveals your profound ignorance of history and an inability to think rationally.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'll say it again, you guys are absolutely bonkers.
That you seriously think we're halfway to becoming another Nazi Germany, let alone that we're even anywhere close to being on the path, reveals your profound ignorance of history and an inability to think rationally.
No-one should ignore the warning signs for that sort of a progression. No-one. It has happened all too often in our world, and fools ignore it. "This could not happen here" was part of how Hitler was able to do what he did. It can ALWAYS happen here, that is THE lesson of the holocaust. And we must ALWAYS be vigilant in looking out for the warning signs in society and leadership, and speaking out where the momentum in our society and/or our leadership is headed the wrong way. "Never Again" is not possible when people deceive themselves with the words "No way that could happen here".
Go read the list. And while you do that, remember the number of people that have died because people said "no way that could happen here".Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-22-2020, 11:39 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat is not what we are saying MM. But the truth is, WRT immigrants Trump has already climbed halfway up that ladder. And that is scary - or should be.
No-one should ignore the warning signs for that sort of a progression. No-one. It has happened all too often in our world, and fools ignore it. "This could not happen here" was part of how Hitler was able to do what he did. It can ALWAYS happen here, that is THE lesson of the holocaust. And we must ALWAYS be vigilant in looking out for the warning signs in society and leadership, and speaking out where the momentum in our society and/or our leadership is headed the wrong way. "Never Again" is not possible with people deceive themselves with the words "No way that could happen here".
I'm sure the citizens of late 1920s and early 1930s Germany had no idea they were on a train that would take them to Auschwitz and WWII within a decade or so.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
ETA: Don't know who said that, though it has been attributed to Jefferson. And it is grammatically messed up. It should either be, ""Eternal vigilance is the price for liberty" or "Eternal vigilance is the cost of liberty."Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-22-2020, 11:41 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUmm...that WAS my answer. When I don't know, "I don't know" is the response. I have no idea if Trump would commit genocide if given the means. That in and of itself is not a compliment to Trump. If you asked me the same question about Obama, Bush (I or II), Clinton, Reagan, Macron, Trudeau, Merkel, or any number of current and past world leaders, my answer would have been "I sincerely doubt it.""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Postevil.
ETA: FYI, Trump is not "more bad than good by far" because he promotes policies I disagree with. That position is apparently held by the Boogeyman Carpe caricature you have created, not me. Trump is "more bad than good" because that is the proportion I see in his words and actions in terms of moral issues - not public policy. With the possible exception of McConnell, I can think of no other Republican or U.S. office holder I have that view about.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostEver the seeker of truth up against a person that demands the answer to her questions always be 'yes' or 'no', regardless of whether or not the question has a yes or no answer."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat is not what we are saying MM.
However, it's worth noting that the list presented by Genocide Watch is broad and generalized to the point that you could apply it to any presidential administration in the last hundred years and convince yourself that the United States was "just that close" to becoming the next Nazi Germany. It's like a Rorschach Test that says far more about your own paranoid psyche than it does about the United States.
In summary, you guys are absolutely bonkers.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd this matters because...?
ETA: FYI, Trump is not "more bad than good by far" because he promotes policies I disagree with. That position is apparently held by the Boogeyman Carpe caricature you have created, not me. Trump is "more bad than good" because that is the proportion I see in his words and actions in terms of moral issues - not public policy. With the possible exception of McConnell, I can think of no other Republican or U.S. office holder I have that view about."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat is exactly what you're saying. carpe links to a site presenting a list of the ten steps a country would need to follow in order to implement a Hitler-like genocide policy. You and carpe believe that the US under Trump has taken half of those steps, meaning that you believe that we are half-way to implementing a Hitler-like genocide policy.
However, it's worth noting that the list presented by Genocide Watch is broad and generalized to the point that you could apply it to any presidential administration in the last hundred years and convince yourself that the United States was "just that close" to becoming the next Nazi Germany. It's like a Rorschach Test that says far more about your own paranoid psyche than it does about the United States.
In summary, you guys are absolutely bonkers."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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I see almost all of my political opponents/adversaries in exactly this light.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThey have to be bad people or plotting evil things.
I'm sure you really want to believe that you haven't created a caricature, but you really did...
Since I have never said "Trump is a Hitler," you are back to arguing with the Boogeyman Carpe caricature you have created in your own mind. I'll leave you to it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI see almost all of my political opponents/adversaries in exactly this light.Only two that I know of - because the evidence tells me that is their nature.I'm sure you really want to believe that you haven't created a caricature, but you really did...Since I have never said "Trump is a Hitler," you are back to arguing with the Boogeyman Carpe caricature you have created in your own mind. I'll leave you to it.
Trump is as capable of doing evil things.
That Trump is making steps towards genocide.
That you will move, if Trump wins again.
Nope, totally different!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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